Determine if the SERIES converges or DIVERGES

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of the series $$\sum^{\infty}_{n = 0} \frac{(2n + 3)^2}{(n + 1)^3}$$. Participants explore various methods including the nth term test, ratio test, and limit comparison test, while addressing errors in calculations and interpretations.

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  • One participant suggests that since the limit of the terms as n approaches infinity is not zero, the series must be divergent, but another participant corrects the limit calculation, showing that the terms actually approach zero.
  • Participants discuss the application of the ratio test, with one claiming convergence based on an incorrect ratio, while another points out the need for a correct formulation of the ratio.
  • There is confusion regarding algebraic manipulations in the ratio test, with participants questioning their calculations and arriving at different conclusions about the limit.
  • One participant proposes using limit comparison with the series $$\frac{1}{n^2}$$, but another clarifies that the series behaves like $$\frac{1}{n}$$, indicating a divergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the convergence of the series. There are competing views regarding the application of different tests and the correctness of calculations, leading to uncertainty about the final conclusion.

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Limitations include unresolved algebraic errors, dependence on the correct application of convergence tests, and the need for careful handling of limits and ratios. The discussion reflects various interpretations and calculations that have not been definitively settled.

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Determine if the positive term series is convergent or divergent
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\sum^{\infty}_{n = 0} \frac{(2n + 3)^2}{(n + 1)^3}$$

So what I did was look at it as 2n + 3/n + 1 , then I did the limit as n --> infinity using lopitals to get 2/1 which = 2. Then i said this must be divergent since lim a_n as n -> infty is != to 0 by the nth term test this diverges. Would that be correct?
 
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shamieh said:
Determine if the positive term series is convergent or divergent
$$
\sum^{\infty}_{n = 0} \frac{(2n + 3)^2}{(n + 1)^3}$$

So what I did was look at it as 2n + 3/n + 1 , then I did the limit as n --> infinity using lopitals to get 2/1 which = 2. Then i said this must be divergent since lim a_n as n -> infty is != to 0 by the nth term test this diverges. Would that be correct?

Checking the limit of the terms is always a good start, because like you said, if this limit is not 0 then the series is divergent. But you are taking the wrong limit. The terms are $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{(2n+3)^2}{(n+1)^3} \end{align*}$, not $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{2n+3}{n+1} \end{align*}$. Using the correct terms we have:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{(2n+3)^2}{(n+1)^3} &= \frac{4n^2 + 12n + 9}{n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1} \\ &= \frac{\frac{4}{n} + \frac{12}{n^2} + \frac{9}{n^3}}{1 + \frac{3}{n} + \frac{3}{n^2} + \frac{1}{n^3}} \\ &\to \frac{0 + 0 + 0}{1 + 0 + 0 + 0} \\ &= \frac{0}{1} \\ &= 0 \end{align*}$

So the terms actually do go to 0. That means you will need to apply another test to try to determine the convergence of this series. I would suggest the RATIO test.
 
using ratio I obtained: $$\frac{(2n + 4)^2}{(n + 2)^3} * \frac{(n + 1)^3}{(2n + 3)^2}$$ as n---> $$\infty$$ = 200/432 so by ratio test L < 1 so the Series converges correct?
 
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using ratio I obtained: $$\frac{(2n + 4)^2}{(n + 2)^3} * \frac{(n + 1)^3}{(2n + 3)^2}$$ as n---> $$\infty$$ = 200/432 so by ratio test L < 1 so the Series converges correct?

Your ratio is incorrect. $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a_n = \frac{(2n+3)^2}{(n+1)^3} \end{align*}$, so $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a_{n + 1} = \frac{[2(n+1) + 3]^2}{(n+1+1)^3} = \frac{(2n + 5)^2}{(n+2)^3} \end{align*}$, so the ratio is actually

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{a_{n + 1}}{a_n} = \frac{(2n + 5)^2}{(n + 2)^3} \cdot \frac{ (n + 1) ^3}{(2n + 3)^2} \end{align*}$

Now see what happens to this ratio as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n \to \infty \end{align*}$.
 
Ok , fixing my error... I got 288/432... But that can't be right...What am I doing wrong here..

I'm saaying that $$\frac{(2n + 5)^2}{(2n + 3)^2} = 36/16$$

also I'm saying that $$\frac{(n+1)^3}{(n+2)^3} = 8/27$$

then getting 288/432...Am I doing algebra incorrectly? I think that's the casE but i don't see my mistake...
 
shamieh said:
Ok , fixing my error... I got 288/432... But that can't be right...What am I doing wrong here..

I'm saaying that $$\frac{(2n + 5)^2}{(2n + 3)^2} = 36/16$$

also I'm saying that $$\frac{(n+1)^3}{(n+2)^3} = 8/27$$

then getting 288/432...Am I doing algebra incorrectly? I think that's the casE but i don't see my mistake...

Not even close I'm afraid.

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{(2n + 5)^2}{(2n + 3)^2} &= \left( \frac{2n + 5}{2n + 3} \right) ^2 \\ &= \left( \frac{2n + 3}{2n + 3} + \frac{2}{2n + 3} \right) ^2 \\ &= \left( 1 + \frac{2}{2n + 3} \right) ^2 \\ &\to \left( 1 + 0 \right) ^2 \textrm{ as } n \to \infty \\ &= 1 \end{align*}$

What about the other one?
 
wow...$$\frac{(n+1)^3}{(n+2)^3} = n/n+2 = ((1+0) + (0))^3 = 1^3$$?? I have no idea..

doesn't make sense because then you would have 1/1 = 1...and test is inconclusive...
 
shamieh said:
wow...$$\frac{(n+1)^3}{(n+2)^3} = n/n+2 = ((1+0) + (0))^3 = 1^3$$?? I have no idea..

doesn't make sense because then you would have 1/1 = 1...and test is inconclusive...

PLEASE be careful with your algebra. $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{ (n + 1)^3}{( n +2)^3} \end{align*}$ is NOT $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{n}{n + 2} \end{align*}$. Try again.

But you are correct that you should end up with the ratio test being inconclusive (I didn't realize this when I suggested it).

Wolfram says a comparison is needed. I'm trying to think of a function to compare it to...
 
using limit comparison can i compare it to 1/n^2
 
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shamieh said:
using limit comparison can i compare it to 1/n^2

Close, but it will be of order 1/n, not 1/n^2 (the top has order 2 and the bottom has order 3)...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{(2n + 3)^2}{(n + 1)^3} &= \frac{4n^2 + 12n + 9}{ n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1 } \\ &= \frac{4 + \frac{12}{n} + \frac{9}{n^2}}{n + 3 + \frac{3}{n} + \frac{1}{n^2}} \end{align*}$

For large values of n, this behaves like $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{4}{n + 3} \end{align*}$, which is a harmonic series, well known to be DIVERGENT.

So your series is divergent too :)
 

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