How Does the Ratio Test Determine Convergence in Power Series?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the ratio test to determine the convergence of a power series, specifically examining the implications of substituting different values of x within the context of the series. Participants explore the radius of convergence and the behavior of the series at specific points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to apply the ratio test and finds the limit of the ratio of terms, leading to a range for x based on the radius of convergence.
  • Several participants question the implications of substituting x = 2 and whether it falls within the established radius of convergence.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of the radius of convergence and the relationship between x and the limit derived from the ratio test.
  • Some participants assert that the series converges for x = 2, while others seek clarification on the conditions under which this holds true.
  • One participant suggests that the series converges for x values outside the interval defined by the radius of convergence, prompting further discussion.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to evaluate the series at specific points to determine convergence.
  • There is a suggestion that the series converges if the limit is less than 1 when substituting x = 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether x = 2 is within the radius of convergence, leading to unresolved questions about the convergence of the series at that point. The discussion reflects multiple competing interpretations and lacks consensus on the implications of the ratio test results.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the radius of convergence and the conditions for convergence at specific values of x. The discussion also highlights the need for further analysis when applying the ratio test to specific cases.

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Readers interested in power series, convergence tests, and the nuances of applying the ratio test in mathematical contexts may find this discussion relevant.

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{##A_n##} is a sequence of positive numbers. ##\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} A_n(x-1)^n## has a R of convergence ##R=\frac 3 2##. Does ##\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} A_n## converge or diverge?
I tried to use the ratio test, but I am stuck on finding the range of the limit.
$$\because \left|x-1\right|<1.5=Radius$$
$$\therefore -0.5<x<2.5$$

$$\lim _{n \to \infty} \left| \frac{A_{n+1}(x-1)^{n+1}}{A_n(x-1)^n} \right|$$
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{A_{n+1} \left|x-1\right|}{A_n} <1$$
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \left| \frac{A_{n+1}}{A_n} \right|< \frac 1 {\left| x-1 \right|}$$

Then I plotted the graph of 1/|x-1| and I found that the limit of A_n+1/A_n could vary from 2/3 (convergent) to infinity (divergent), as shown by the image below. What should I do next?
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What happens if you take ##x = 2##?
 
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PeroK said:
What happens if you take ##x = 2##?
No conclusion?
 
Leo Liu said:
No conclusion?
What does that mean? Is ##2## inside or outside the radius?
 
PeroK said:
What does that mean? Is ##2## inside or outside the radius?
Does this show the radius of convergence ##R'## of the series A_n is 2?
 
Leo Liu said:
It means we have to use another method to test the convergence of the series. 2 is in the radius R.

Eh?

Leo Liu said:
Summary:: {##A_n##} is a sequence of positive numbers. ##\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} A_n(x-1)^n## has a R of convergence ##R=\frac 3 2##.
 
PeroK said:
Eh?
I think it is in the radius of convergence because ##-0.5<2<2.5##
 
Leo Liu said:
I think it is in the radius of convergence.
You're saying that you think ##2 < \frac 3 2##?
 
PeroK said:
You're saying that you think ##2 < \frac 3 2##?
No, but I am quite confused--we are talking about x, not ##\left| x-1 \right|##, right?
 
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Leo Liu said:
No, but I am quite confused--we are talking about x, not ##\left| x-1 \right|##, right?
Yes, sorry, of course it's inside the radius of convergence. In any case, what does ##x = 2## tell you about ##A_n##?
 
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PeroK said:
You're saying that you think ##2 < \frac 3 2##?
Can you please tell me what I should do next? This is not a homework question and I am doing it just for interest.
 
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Leo Liu said:
Can you please tell me what I should do next? This is not a homework question and I am doing it just for interest.
I've actually told you: put ##x = 2##.
 
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PeroK said:
Yes, sorry, of course it's inside the radius of convergence. In any case, what does ##x = 2## tell you about ##A_n##?
When ##x \geq 2 \: or \: x \leq 0##, the series converges.
 
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Leo Liu said:
When ##x>2 \: or \: x<0##, the series converges.
And what is the series when ##x = 2##?
 
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PeroK said:
And what is the series when ##x = 2##?
Converges at x=2?
 
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Leo Liu said:
Converges at x=2?
Write down the sequence for ##x = 2##.
 
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PeroK said:
Write down the sequence for ##x = 2##.
$$\sum_{n=0}^ \infty{A_n}$$
 
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Leo Liu said:
$$\sum_{n=0}^ \infty{A_n}$$
That's what you should have done after post #2.
 
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PeroK said:
That's what you should have done after post #2.
Oh, thank you! So it is actually convergent because the limit is less than 1 if we sub in x=2!
 
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Leo Liu said:
Oh, thank you! So it is actually convergent because the limit is less than 1 if we sub in x=2!
In general, the series:
$$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} A_n $$
converges, if and only if the power series:
$$\sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} A_n x^n$$
converges at ##x = 1##.

Those two properties are clearly equivalent.
 
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