Determine the absolute Velocity and Acceleration of Particle A

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The discussion revolves around calculating the absolute velocity and acceleration of particle A on a rolling disk. The participants analyze the given velocities and accelerations, attempting to apply the correct equations, including the relationship between linear and angular velocity. Confusion arises regarding the interpretation of relative velocity and acceleration, particularly how to incorporate the centripetal acceleration due to particle A's motion relative to the disk. The calculations for both velocity and acceleration are refined through collaborative problem-solving, with emphasis on understanding the components involved. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the importance of correctly interpreting the terms in the equations to arrive at accurate results.
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Homework Statement


The disk rolls without slipping on the horizontal surface, and at the instant represented, the center O has the velocity vO = 2.2 m/s and acceleration aO = 5.5 m/s2 with directions shown in the figure. For this instant, the particle A has the indicated speed u = 3.2 m/s and time rate of change of speed = 6.6 m/s2, both relative to the disk with directions shown in the figure. Determine the absolute velocity vA and acceleration aA of particle A.

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Homework Equations



VA = VO + wXr + Vrel

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm honestly confused as to how to start this question. I'm not given the angular velocity so initially I tried to solve for it.

v = wXr

I know that the velocity at point O is -2.2i but how should I determine r? Or should I use the velocity at A instead?

Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Forget the particle for the moment. You have a disc of known radius rolling at known linear speed...
 
So, you're saying that the angular velocity, w, is;

v = wXr

w = v/r

w = 2.2/0.39

w = 5.641 CCW

Right?
 
After this part I'm fairly certain that I need to use:

VA = VO + wXr + vrel

Which I think should give me:

VA = -2.2i + (5.641k)X(0.3j) + 1i

vA = -2.8923 i

But it says this is not correct. I'm thinking that my mistake is with the vrel, how should I interpret this term, because I thought it was 1 because part A is traveling faster in the x direction by 1i. Am I mistaken?
 
Northbysouth said:
I'm thinking that my mistake is with the vrel, how should I interpret this term, because I thought it was 1 because part A is traveling faster in the x direction by 1i. Am I mistaken?
vrel is given as 3.2 m/s to the right.
 
I've managed to get VA = -0.6923i + 0j

But I'm stuck on aA

I think I need to use the equation:

aA = aO + αXr + wXwXr + 2wXvrel + arel

I found α with

α = a/r

α = 5.5/0.3

α = -14.1k

aA = 5.5i + (-14.1k)X(0.3j) + (5.641k)X[(5.641k)X(0.3j)] + 2(5.641k)X(3.2i) - 6.6i

aA = 3.13i + 23.69j

I know the j part is incorrect but I don't know about the i part. I don't understand where I'm going wrong. Am I misinterpreting the arel?
 
My i component is correct at 3.13i and I finally managed to get the j component but it doesn't make sense.

the values for my j component are:

<5.641k>X[<5.641k>X<0.3k>] + 2<5.641k>X<3.2i> - 3.22/0.3

= -7.57719 j which is correct

I can see where the first two terms come from in the equation I gave above, but where does the 3.22/0.3 come from?
 
Northbysouth said:
I can see where the first two terms come from in the equation I gave above, but where does the 3.22/0.3 come from?
That's the centripetal acceleration from the fact that it is moving at 3.2m/s relative to the disc but constrained to move in an arc radius .3m relative to the disc centre.
 

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