Determine the compression of the spring

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the compression of a spring used in a theoretical launch system designed to propel a probe into deep space. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically gravitational potential energy, spring mechanics, and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore energy conservation principles, questioning how kinetic energy relates to the potential energy stored in the spring. There is discussion on whether to consider gravitational potential energy changes during the spring's compression.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using conservation of energy to relate kinetic energy required for escape to the potential energy stored in the spring. Others have provided equations and attempted calculations, leading to a proposed expression for spring compression.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of energy transformations and the assumptions regarding gravitational effects during the launch process. There is mention of the spring constant and the mass of the probe, but the discussion acknowledges the need for clarity on energy relationships.

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Homework Statement



Russian aviator Vsevolod Mikhailovich Abramovich invented the Abramovich Flyer based on the design of the Wright brothers' first plane. After this first success, Abramovich became obsessed with deep space travel designing a spring based launcher to fire a probe of mass 90kg from Earth (mass 6.00×10^24kg, radius 6.40×10^6m) into deep space.

Determine the minimum speed to launch this probe into deep space such that it never returns.

vesc= 11183.1346 m/s

Determine the compression of the spring, having spring constant 5.50×105N[PLAIN]https://s3.lite.msu.edu/adm/jsMath/fonts/cmmi10/alpha/144/char3D.pngm, needed to launch this probe using Abramovich's design.

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Homework Equations



vesc=sqrt(2GM/R)

F⃗ spring=−kŝ

Us=∫(dUs/ds)ds=∫ksds=1/2ks^2−Es[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



First part I just plugged it into the V escape equation.

Second part attempt: 5.50×10^5N[PLAIN]https://s3.lite.msu.edu/adm/jsMath/fonts/cmmi10/alpha/144/char3D.pngm * 6.40×10^6m = 3.52E12 Newtons

3.52E12 =

U = mc^2
U = 6E24*(3E8)^2 = 5.41E41

Integrate (1/2)(5.50×10^5N[PLAIN]https://s3.lite.msu.edu/adm/jsMath/fonts/cmmi10/alpha/144/char3D.pngm )^2 - 5.41E41

Maybe use Youngs Module to find compression?

I think I'm somewhere on the right track but I'm kinda lost..
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Have you considered a straight forward conservation of energy approach? What's the KE required for the probe to escape?
 
KE = (1/2)mv^2
KE = (1/2) (90kg) (11183.1346)^2

Would I use that answer to then multiply it by the given stiffness?
 
Westin said:
KE = (1/2)mv^2
KE = (1/2) (90kg) (11183.1346)^2

Would I use that answer to then multiply it by the given stiffness?
Not quite. You'd want to make sue that your spring, when compressed, is storing at least that much energy so that when it relaxes it imparts that much energy to the probe. What's the expression for the PE stored in a compressed spring?

You might also want to convince yourself that the gravitational PE change for the probe through the spring's relaxation distance is not a significant contributor to the calculation.
 
Fs=−ks=−dUs/ds
dUs/ds=ks

Integrating this equation once would give us the Potential Energy that was obtained.

My second attempt:
Set KE=(1/2)mv^2 and -W=(1/2)kx^2 equal to each other
kx^2=mv^2

Solve for x
x=sqrt((mv^2)/k)
x=sqrt((90kg*11183.1346^2)/5.5e5)

x=143.055m
 
That result looks good.
 

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