Determine the potential energy of the configuration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy of a system of point charges arranged at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. The charges involved are Q1 = +26e, Q2 = -14e, and Q3 = +7e, with a side length of 28.0 cm for the triangle. The potential energy is to be determined under the assumption that it is zero at infinity.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric potential at point P due to charges Q1 and Q2, and the subsequent addition of potentials. There are questions regarding clarity in the original poster's approach and the need for detailed workings. Some participants suggest reconsidering the method of calculating potential energy by considering the work done in bringing each charge into position.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the workings presented and exploring different methods to arrive at the potential energy of the configuration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of clearly defining the steps taken in calculations and the need to differentiate between potential and potential energy. There is also an emphasis on understanding the process of bringing charges from infinity to their respective positions in the triangle.

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. Homework Statement

Diagram: Please check the attachment. It has a diagram that will help solve the problem

#6)Point charges Q1 and Q2 are located at two vertices of an equilateral triangle. Point P is the third vertex.The length of each side of the triangle is 28.0 cm. Q1 = +26e, and Q2 = -14e
#7). Point charge, Q3 = +7e, is now placed at point P. Determine the potential energy of the configuration formed
by Q1, Q2 and Q3. (Assume that the potential energy is zero at infinity.)

Homework Equations


V= k(q)/r, k= 9.99 x 10^9

The Attempt at a Solution


#6)I found the potential energy the potential energy of both point a and point p. Using the distance r = 0.28cm. Then I sum the potential energy of both points to get the potential energy at P.
#7) I used thesame procedure for the second problem.

I will be very grateful, if anyone can help. Thanks a lot.
 

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Where's point a? Did you mean you found the potential (not potential energy) at P due to each of q1 and q2 separately?
If you want your answers checked pls post all your working.
 
I am sorry if wasnt very clear. what i meant was i found the potential of q1 and q2. Took the sum of both potential. Please check the attachment the question is number 7 and 6. Thank you
 
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Pruddy said:
i found the potential of q1 and q2. Took the sum of both potential. Please check the attachment the question is number 7 and 6.
Still not very clear, but I assume you mean you found the potential at P due to q1, the potential at P due to q2, and added them. That's fine for the first part.
"Same for the second" is much too vague. Pls post exact working.
 
These are my workings for #1
V= kQ/R
K= 9 x 10^9
q1 = 26e
q2 = -14e
e = 1.602 x 10^-19
r = 28 cm

Using V= kQ/r, I found the sum of the potential of P due q1 and q2
So,
(9 x 10^9 x 26 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28) + (9.0 x 10^9 x 14 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28)

=1.3388 x 10^-7 + 7.209 10^-8

=2.059 x 10^7
But for some reason my answer is wrong.
 
Working for #2
V= kQ/R
K= 9 x 10^9
q1 = +26e
q2 = -14e
q3 = +7e
e = 1.602 x 10^-19
r = 28 cm

Using V= kQ/r, I found the electric potential at q1, q2 and q3. then took their sums.
So,
(9 x 10^9 x 26 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28) + (9.0 x 10^9 x 14 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28) + (9 x 10^9 x 7 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28)

=1.3388 x 10^-7 + 7.209 10^-8 + 3.6045 x 10^-8
= 2.420 x 10^-7
 
#6)Point charges Q1 and Q2 are located at two vertices of an equilateral triangle. Point P is the third vertex.The length of each side of the triangle is 28.0 cm. Q1 = +26e, and Q2 = -14e
#7). Point charge, Q3 = +7e, is now placed at point P. Determine the potential energy of the configuration formed
by Q1, Q2 and Q3. (Assume that the potential energy is zero at infinity.)
 
Pruddy said:
Working for #2
V= kQ/R
K= 9 x 10^9
q1 = +26e
q2 = -14e
q3 = +7e
e = 1.602 x 10^-19
r = 28 cm

Using V= kQ/r, I found the electric potential at q1, q2 and q3. then took their sums.
So,
(9 x 10^9 x 26 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28) + (9.0 x 10^9 x 14 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28) + (9 x 10^9 x 7 x 1.602 x 10^-19/0.28)

=1.3388 x 10^-7 + 7.209 10^-8 + 3.6045 x 10^-8
= 2.420 x 10^-7

Pruddy said:
#6)Point charges Q1 and Q2 are located at two vertices of an equilateral triangle. Point P is the third vertex.The length of each side of the triangle is 28.0 cm. Q1 = +26e, and Q2 = -14e
#7). Point charge, Q3 = +7e, is now placed at point P. Determine the potential energy of the configuration formed
by Q1, Q2 and Q3. (Assume that the potential energy is zero at infinity.)

This not the way to approach the second problem, (#7).

Starting with all three charges at infinity:
How much work does it take to bring q1 to its position in the triangle?

After placing q1 in position, how much work does it take to bring q2 to its position in the triangle?

After placing q1 and q2 in position, how much work does it take to bring q3 to its position in the triangle?​

Adding all of those together, what does the result tell you?
 
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Got It! Thanks a lot.
 

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