Determine the relative maximum and minimum on the graph

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The discussion revolves around determining critical points, intervals of increasing and decreasing functions, and identifying absolute maxima and minima on the graph of a function, specifically focusing on the derivative of that function. Participants explore these concepts through a provided graph and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about finding critical points on the graph of the derivative of the function, questioning whether points at x=4.5 and x=13 are valid critical points.
  • Participants discuss the intervals where the function is increasing, suggesting intervals such as [0,4.5] and (10,13].
  • There is mention of intervals where the function is decreasing, with suggestions including [4.5,10) and [13, -∞).
  • Some participants propose that the absolute maximum points could be at x=4.5 and x=13, while the absolute minimum might be at x=10.
  • Questions are raised regarding the conditions under which relative maxima and minima occur, specifically focusing on where the derivative equals zero or is undefined.
  • Participants reference a graph of the function to support their claims about increasing and decreasing behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the validity of the critical points or the identification of maxima and minima, as participants express differing views on the conditions for these classifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact points and intervals.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the behavior of the derivative in relation to critical points and the definitions of increasing and decreasing functions. There are unresolved questions about the continuity of the function and the implications of the graph provided.

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Given that f is the function on (−∞, ∞) and the graph is the derivative of f

1.) Find the critical point on the graph ?
2.) Find the interval of the increasing function on the graph ?
3.) Find the interval of the decreasing function on the graph ?
4.) Find the point which is the absolute maximum on the graph ?
5.) Find the point which is the absolute minimum on the graph ?
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jaychay said:
Given that f is the function on (−∞, ∞) and the graph is the derivative of f

1.) Find the critical point on the graph ?
2.) Find the interval of the increasing function on the graph ?
3.) Find the interval of the decreasing function on the graph ?
4.) Find the point which is the absolute maximum on the graph ?
5.) Find the point which is the absolute minimum on the graph ?View attachment 10704
Do the graph have the relative maximum and relative minimum ?
 
Let's add the graph of $\color{red}f(x)$ at an arbitrary level. That is, let's pick $\color{red}f(0)=0$.
And let's assume that $\color{red}f(x)$ is continuous at $x=10$.

\begin{tikzpicture}[
declare function={
df1(\x) = 2*cos(3/11*360)-2*cos((\x+1)/11*360);
df2(\x) = 1.25-5/16*(\x-13)^2;
f1(\x) = 2*cos(3/11*360)*\x-2*(sin((\x+1)/11*360) - sin(1/11*360))*11/(2*pi);
f2(\x) = 1.25*(\x-10)-5/16*((\x-13)^3 + 27)/3+f1(10);
}]
%\draw[help lines] (-1,-3) grid (16,4);
\draw[-latex] (-1,0) -- (16,0);
\draw[-latex] (0,-3) -- (0,4);
\draw foreach \i in {1,...,15} { (\i,0.1) -- (\i,-0.1) node[below] {$\i$} };
% \draw foreach \i in {-2,...,2} { (0.1,\i) -- (-0.1,\i) node[ left ] {$\i$} };
\draw[domain=-1:10, variable=\x, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {df1(\x)}) (3, {df1(3)}) node[above left] {$f'(x)$};
\draw[domain=10:16, variable=\x, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {df2(\x)});
\filldraw[fill=black!5, thick] (10,{df1(10)}) circle (0.05) (10,{df2(10)}) circle (0.05);
\draw[domain=-1:10, variable=\x, red, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {f1(\x)}) (9, {f1(9)}) node[above right] {$f(x)$};;
\draw[domain=10:16, variable=\x, red, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {f2(\x)});
\end{tikzpicture}

Can we find those points and intervals now?
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Let's add the graph of $\color{red}f(x)$ at an arbitrary level. That is, let's pick $\color{red}f(0)=0$.
And let's assume that $\color{red}f(x)$ is continuous at $x=10$.

\begin{tikzpicture}[
declare function={
df1(\x) = 2*cos(3/11*360)-2*cos((\x+1)/11*360);
df2(\x) = 1.25-5/16*(\x-13)^2;
f1(\x) = 2*cos(3/11*360)*\x-2*(sin((\x+1)/11*360) - sin(1/11*360))*11/(2*pi);
f2(\x) = 1.25*(\x-10)-5/16*((\x-13)^3 + 27)/3+f1(10);
}]
%\draw[help lines] (-1,-3) grid (16,4);
\draw[-latex] (-1,0) -- (16,0);
\draw[-latex] (0,-3) -- (0,4);
\draw foreach \i in {1,...,15} { (\i,0.1) -- (\i,-0.1) node[below] {$\i$} };
% \draw foreach \i in {-2,...,2} { (0.1,\i) -- (-0.1,\i) node[ left ] {$\i$} };
\draw[domain=-1:10, variable=\x, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {df1(\x)}) (3, {df1(3)}) node[above left] {$f'(x)$};
\draw[domain=10:16, variable=\x, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {df2(\x)});
\filldraw[fill=black!5, thick] (10,{df1(10)}) circle (0.05) (10,{df2(10)}) circle (0.05);
\draw[domain=-1:10, variable=\x, red, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {f1(\x)}) (9, {f1(9)}) node[above right] {$f(x)$};;
\draw[domain=10:16, variable=\x, red, thick, smooth] plot ({\x}, {f2(\x)});
\end{tikzpicture}

Can we find those points and intervals now?
My answers for all of the question that I have done on my own is
  • 1.) 4.5,13
  • 2.) [0,4.5] , (10,13]
  • 3.) [4.5,10), [13, - ∞)
  • 4.) 4.5,13
  • 5.) 10
I want to check that I am doing it correct or not because I am not good at discontinuous graph
Can you please help me
Thank you in advice
 
jaychay said:
Given that f is the function on (−∞, ∞) and the graph is the derivative of f

1.) Find the critical point on the graph ?
  • 1.) 4.5,13

A critical point is a point in the domain of the function where the function is either not differentiable or the derivative is equal to zero.

That's not the case for x=4.5 or x=13 is it?
For which x-values is $f'(x)$ either zero or undefined?

jaychay said:
2.) Find the interval of the increasing function on the graph ?
3.) Find the interval of the decreasing function on the graph ?
  • 2.) [0,4.5] , (10,13]
  • 3.) [4.5,10), [13, - ∞)

A function is increasing if its derivative is greater than zero.
Where is $f'(x)$ greater than zero?

We can also look at the graph for $f(x)$ that I added.
Where is that graph increasing?

jaychay said:
4.) Find the point which is the absolute maximum on the graph ?
5.) Find the point which is the absolute minimum on the graph ?
  • 4.) 4.5,13
  • 5.) 10

We have relative maxima and minima if $f'(x)=0$.
For which x-values is $f'(x)$ equal to zero?
Can we tell whether they correspond to maxima or minima?
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
A critical point is a point in the domain of the function where the function is either not differentiable or the derivative is equal to zero.

That's not the case for x=4.5 or x=13 is it?
For which x-values is $f'(x)$ either zero or undefined?
A function is increasing if its derivative is greater than zero.
Where is $f'(x)$ greater than zero?

We can also look at the graph for $f(x)$ that I added.
Where is that graph increasing?
We have relative maxima and minima if $f'(x)=0$.
For which x-values is $f'(x)$ equal to zero?
Can we tell whether they correspond to maxima or minima?
Thank you very much
 

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