Determine whether limit is indeterminate or has a fixed value

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The discussion revolves around identifying whether certain mathematical expressions represent indeterminate forms or have fixed values, particularly focusing on limits involving powers and fractions. The subject area is calculus, specifically the evaluation of limits and the classification of indeterminate forms.

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  • Participants explore various expressions to determine if they are indeterminate forms or have fixed values, with specific focus on the expression ##1^{\infty}##. There are attempts to clarify the reasoning behind these classifications and to question the consistency of definitions.

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There is an ongoing examination of the expression ##1^{\infty}##, with participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification. Some participants suggest that it may be indeterminate due to its nature, while others provide examples to illustrate their points. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to reconcile differing views.

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Participants reference specific mathematical limits and expressions, indicating a need for further examples to clarify the concept of indeterminate forms. There is also mention of L'Hôpital's rule as a potential method for resolving certain indeterminate forms.

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Indeterminate forms
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Indeterminate forms are: ##\frac{0}{0}, \frac{\infty}{\infty} , \infty - \infty, 0 . \infty , 1^{\infty}, 0^{0}, \infty^{0}##

My answer:
4, 9, 15, 17, 20 are inderterminate forms

1. always has a fixed finite value, which is zero

2. ##0^{-\infty}=\frac{1}{0^{\infty}}=\frac{1}{0}=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

3. always has a fixed finite value, which is one

5. ##\infty . \infty=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

6. ##\infty^{-\infty}=\frac{1}{\infty^{\infty}}=\frac{1}{\infty}=0## so it always has a fixed finite value

7. ##\infty^{1}=\infty## so it always has a fixed finite value

8. ##\frac{\infty}{0}=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

10. ##\pi^{\infty}=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

11. ##1.\infty=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

12. ##1^{-\infty}=\frac{1}{1^{\infty}}## , not sure about this one since ##1^{\infty}## is indeterminate form. My guess for this one is: ##\frac{1}{1^{\infty}}=\frac{1}{1}=1## so always has a fixed finite value

13. ##\frac{1}{-\infty}=0## so it always has a fixed finite value

14. ##\infty^{\infty}=\infty## so it never has a fixed finite value

16. ##\infty^{-e}=\frac{1}{\infty^{e}}=\frac{1}{\infty}=0## so it always has a fixed finite value

18. ##\frac{0}{\infty}=0## so it always has a fixed finite value

19. ##\pi^{-\infty}=\frac{1}{\pi^{\infty}}=0## so it always has a fixed finite value

Are my answers correct?

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Your answer to 12 is not right.
 
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PeroK said:
Your answer to 12 is not right.
Would the answer be "indeterminate" because ##1^{\infty}## is indeterminate form?

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songoku said:
Would the answer be "indeterminate" because ##1^{\infty}## is indeterminate form?

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Why not?
 
PeroK said:
Why not?
I am not sure because in the explanation there is ##\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} 1^{x} = 1## so I am confused whether it would be indeterminate form or 1
 
songoku said:
I am not sure because in the explanation there is ##\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} 1^{x} = 1## so I am confused whether it would be indeterminate form or 1
Your confusion would be resolved if you found an example where it is not ##1##.

I fail to see how ##1^{\infty}## can be indeterminate, yet ##\dfrac 1 {1^{\infty}}## have a definite limit. That's a clear contradiction, is it not?
 
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songoku said:
I am not sure because in the explanation there is ##\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} 1^{x} = 1## so I am confused whether it would be indeterminate form or 1

What about \lim_{x \to \infty} (1 + kx^{-1})^x = e^{k}? Is that of the form 1^{\infty}?
 
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PeroK said:
Your confusion would be resolved if you found an example where it is not ##1##.
You mean the one given in post #7?

pasmith said:
What about \lim_{x \to \infty} (1 + kx^{-1})^x = e^{k}? Is that of the form 1^{\infty}?
I think I get your hint
 
Maybe a bit tricky, in that an indeterminate ##\frac {\infty}{\infty} ## may be resolved by, e.g., L' Hopital's rule.
 
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Thank you very much for the help and explanation PeroK, pasmith, WWGD
 

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