Determine your ave. speed and ave. velocity

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The problem involves calculating average speed and average velocity for a round trip swim across a pool, with given speeds for each leg of the journey but an unknown distance. The context is within the subject area of kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of average speed and average velocity, with some attempting to clarify the formulas involved. Questions arise about how to determine distance and time without specific values provided in the problem statement.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting that average speed can be calculated from total distance and total time, while average velocity relates to net displacement. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of having a net displacement of zero.

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Participants note the absence of specific numerical values for distance and time, which raises questions about how to proceed with the calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the interpretation of average speed and average velocity in this context.

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Homework Statement


You swim from one end of the pool to the other end along a straight path with a speed of 6m/sec and you swim back to the starting point along the same path with a speed of 5m/sec. The length of the pool is unknown. Determine you ave. speed for the round trip. How much is your ave. velocity?

Homework Equations


Ave. velocity = Vf + Vo/2

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to find the ave. velocity, but not the ave. speed.
Ave. velocity = Vf + Vo/2 = 5m/sec + 6m/sec/2 = 11m/sec/2 = 5.5 m/sec ave. velocity
 
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Velocity is the vector.quantity.So I think you need to calculate net displacement vector then dividing total time.This will give you ave. velocity
For ave. speed you need to think total traveled distance divided by total time.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vel2.html It may help you
 
But how do I know the distance traveled or the time? It doesn't show these in the problem so how do I find the ave. speed and ave. velocity without those numbers?
 
You don't need any numbers to find ave. velocity.But for ave speed use your formula.
 
Tonia said:
But how do I know the distance traveled or the time? It doesn't show these in the problem so how do I find the ave. speed and ave. velocity without those numbers?
You have enough information.
The 5.5m/s you've calculated is the average speed, not velocity.
When you return to your starting point, what is your net displacement?
 
billy_joule said:
You have enough information.
The 5.5m/s you've calculated is the average speed, not velocity.
When you return to your starting point, what is your net displacement?
I am trying to tell this from the begining
 
Ave Speed = distance traveled/time elapsed = ? I don't know the distance or the time.
 
The net displacement is 0?
 
Tonia said:
The net displacement is 0?
True
 
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Ave speed=Total Distnace/Total Time.Lets suppose length of pool is x so total distance will be 2x.Now time is t=x/v so total time is x/5+x/6.Find the ave speed now
 
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and the ave. velocity is the net displacement divided by the time which would be 0 divided by 0 equals 0 ave. velocity?
 
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Tonia said:
and the ave. velocity is the net displacement divided by the time which would be 0 divided by 0 equals 0 ave. velocity?
Yes,correct
 
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Tonia said:
and the ave. velocity is the net displacement divided by the time which would be 0 divided by 0 equals 0 ave. velocity?
Time is not zero. It takes time to swim to the end and back. But, yes, displacement is zero so ave. velocity is zero (v = 0/t = 0)
 
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billy_joule said:
Time is not zero
I didnt see that ,sorry
 

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