Determining c in Quadratic Function Turning Point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the value of c in the quadratic function $$f(x)=ax^2+bx+c$$ based on the properties of its turning point, specifically when the turning point is described as being "over" the X-axis. Participants explore implications of this description in relation to the signs of c and q, as well as the discriminant of the quadratic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that since the turning point (p, q) is over the X-axis, q must be greater than zero, eliminating options C and D from a multiple-choice question.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the discriminant, suggesting that if it is positive, the quadratic has two real roots, leading to the inequality $$4ac < b^2$$.
  • A participant concludes that since $$b^2$$ is positive and $$a > 0$$, it follows that $$\frac{b^2}{4a}$$ is also positive, leaving c as potentially either negative or positive.
  • Another participant asserts that if q > 0, the parabola has no x-intercepts, implying that the discriminant must be less than zero, leading to the conclusion that $$b^2 - 4ac < 0$$.
  • Several participants discuss the terminology used to describe the position of the turning point, with some finding "over the x-axis" to be unclear and suggesting "above the x-axis" as a more appropriate term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the phrase "over the X-axis," leading to some confusion. While there is agreement on the implications of q being greater than zero, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive sign of c.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in terminology and the implications of the turning point's position on the properties of the quadratic function, particularly concerning the discriminant and the signs of c and q.

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The graph's turning point of a quadratic function $$f(x)=ax^2+bx+c$$ is over the X-axis. If the coordinate of the turning point is (p, q) and a > 0, the correct statement is ...
A. c is less than zero
B. c is more than zero
C. q is less than zero
D. q equals zero

Since the point (p, q) is over the X-axis that means q is more than zero, so the options C and D are out of question. What should I do to determine if c is positive or negative? I'm stuck on this. Thanks.
 
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hint ...

what does the sign of the discriminant say about a quadratic’s roots?
 
If it's positive, it has two real roots. Okay, so D > 0.

D > 0
$$b^2-4ac>0$$
$$b^2>4ac$$
$$4ac<b^2$$
$$c<\frac{b^2}{4a}$$
A square number must be positive, so $$b^2$$ is positive. Since a > 0 then 4a > 0, so $$\frac{b^2}{4a}$$ is still positive.
There's still a possibility that c is either negative or positive. What should I do next?
 
you were given $a>0$ which means the graph of the resulting parabola opens upward.
you were also given that the vertex of the parabola, $(p,q)$ was over the x-axis, hence $q > 0$.

If $q > 0$, the parabola has no x-intercepts ... the given quadratic has no real roots $\implies b^2-4ac <0$
 
"Over the x-axis" seems to me a strange way of saying "above the x-axis".
 
Country Boy said:
"Over the x-axis" seems to me a strange way of saying "above the x-axis".

I took it to be one of the three possibilities ... over, on, or under. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
@skeeter:
Ah, I see. Thanks for your help.

@Country Boy:
Sorry, I didn't know the proper term so I came up with what I had in mind at best, without realizing that the simple "above" is already the proper term.
 

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