Determining Ground State of an Atom: Pauli, Hunds, Coloumb's Rules

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The discussion revolves around identifying the principles necessary for determining the electronic structure of the ground state of an atom, specifically focusing on Pauli's exclusion principle and Hund's rule, while seeking a third principle.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to identify a third principle related to electronic structure, considering Coulomb's law and the concept of energy states. Some participants question whether the principles being referenced are indeed the correct ones, particularly regarding Hund's rules.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the principles involved, with some suggesting the principle of lowest energy states filling first as a potential third principle. There is a lack of explicit consensus on the correct third principle, but the discussion is actively engaging with the concepts presented.

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There is mention of specific texts and rules that may not align with common interpretations, indicating potential constraints in the information being referenced by the original poster.

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im looking for the 3 principals i need to be employ in determining the electronic structure of the ground state of an atom

Ive got Paulis exclusion principle where no 2 electrons in an atom can occupy the same quantum state and hunds rule of the total spin of the electrons always has it maximum possible value...butam a bit stuck on the third.

i guess I am leaning towards the electrostatic potential energy of the electron and the proton...would this be right? I am thinking coloumbs rule would be the one but just want to double check

many thanks
 
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i don't think so because I've been already told its Pauli's principle and Hund's rule. In the text I am giving it doesn't mention the 3 Hunds rules just the one i stated above. Hmmm i thought i had it solved with the columbs law but am not too sure now ha ha
 
Could it be the principle that states of lowest energy fill first?
 
yer that's what i have been leaning towards after reading a bit more
 

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