Did I make a mistake in finding the third generalized eigenvector for A?

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The discussion revolves around the process of finding the third generalized eigenvector for a specific 3x3 matrix A, particularly focusing on the implications of algebraic and geometric multiplicities of eigenvalues. Participants explore the theoretical foundations and practical steps involved in identifying generalized eigenvectors, including the use of kernels of matrix powers.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a theorem stating that a basis of Cn can be formed from generalized eigenvectors of an n x n matrix A, and discusses the specific case of matrix A with eigenvalue 1.
  • Another participant suggests that the third generalized eigenvector should satisfy a specific equation involving the first eigenvector, rather than yielding a null vector.
  • A third participant references detailed notes from a course, mentioning the process of factoring the characteristic polynomial and finding bases of kernels for the corresponding powers.
  • One participant reflects on the necessity of generalized eigenvectors due to the algebraic multiplicity being greater than the geometric multiplicity, and discusses the implications of solving specific equations related to the eigenvectors.
  • Another participant corrects a previous post by suggesting that an exponent of 2 should be used instead of 3 when considering the kernel of (A-uI).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to finding the third generalized eigenvector, with some suggesting specific equations and others correcting earlier claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact method to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on definitions and the potential for confusion arising from the algebraic and geometric multiplicities of eigenvalues. There are also references to specific mathematical steps that may not be fully resolved.

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I remember reading a theorem that said that for an n x n matrix A, there exists a basis of Cn consisting of generalized eigenvectors of A.

For A = [1 1 1; 0 1 0; 0 0 1] (the semicolons indicate a new row so that A should be 3 x 3 with a first row consisting of all 1's and a diagonal of 1's). The eigenvalue of A is 1 with an algebraic multiplicity of 3 and geometric multiplicity of 2. So I can pull out a basis of 2 vectors from Ker(A-uI). For the third generalized eigenvector, it should be in Ker((A-uI)3), but that produces 0v = 0, in which v could be any vector in Cn...did I do something wrong here?
 
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It's been really long since I did linear algebra, so forgive me if I say anything stupid.

You get two "true" eigenvectors (1, 0, 0) and (0, 1, -1) (or scalar multiples thereof).
Then shouldn't the third generalised eigenvector satisfy
\left. (A - \lambda I) \right|_{\lambda = 1} \vec v = (1, 0, 0)^\mathrm{T},
with the first eigenvector on the right hand side rather than 0?
 
this is explained in great detail in the notes for math 4050 in my webpage.

briefly, you factor the characteristic polynomial, find the bases of the kernels of the corresponding powers (T-c)^r.

this is called a jordan basis. it is tedious to do in practice.
 
mathwonk said:
this is explained in great detail in the notes for math 4050 in my webpage.

CompuChip said:
You get two "true" eigenvectors (1, 0, 0) and (0, 1, -1) (or scalar multiples thereof).
Then shouldn't the third generalised eigenvector satisfy
\left. (A - \lambda I) \right|_{\lambda = 1} \vec v = (1, 0, 0)^\mathrm{T},
with the first eigenvector on the right hand side rather than 0?

You're right, though I haven't fully read how so yet.
 
I was just thinking that this actually makes sense. The whole point that you need generalised eigenvectors here, is that the algebraic multiplicity of the eigenvalue is larger, so if you calculate them in the normal way, you will get a null eigenvector somewhere, which is not allowed.
And if you solve the equation (A - I) v2 = v1, where v1 satisfies (A - I)v1 = 0, then you will indeed get an eigenvector in ker((A - I)²) (which in this case is equal to the whole space since (A - I)² is the zero matrix). So you are right that the generalised eigenvector you are looking for is inside ker((A - I)²), it is just not any vector in it.

But as I said, it's been a long time, so we're both better of reading mathwonk's notes, I think :-)
 
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in reference to post #1, you want an exponent of 2 instead of 3, on (A-uI).
 

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