Determining Molecular Formula of Hydrocarbon from Reactions

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The discussion revolves around determining the molecular formula of a hydrocarbon based on experimental data from combustion reactions. Participants explore the relationships between pressure, volume, temperature, and the resulting gaseous products, focusing on the application of the ideal gas law and stoichiometry.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem and suggests there may be a relationship between the given data that is not clear.
  • Another participant hints at using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) to find the number of moles, suggesting this could help clarify the problem.
  • Questions arise about how to manipulate the ideal gas law to find molecular mass and how density relates to the calculations.
  • A participant outlines their calculations involving moles of water and carbon dioxide, establishing equations based on the total moles and mass of the products.
  • There is a discussion about the molar ratios of hydrogen to carbon derived from the combustion products, leading to a proposed ratio of 4 to 1.
  • One participant attempts to relate the moles of hydrocarbon before and after the reaction using the ideal gas law, suggesting a factor of 5 between the moles of products and reactants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach or solution to the problem. There are multiple interpretations of how to apply the ideal gas law and stoichiometric relationships, leading to varying conclusions about the calculations.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the relationships between the various parameters and the implications of their calculations. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning, particularly regarding the application of the ideal gas law and the assumptions made about the system.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemistry, particularly those interested in combustion reactions, stoichiometry, and the application of the ideal gas law in determining molecular formulas.

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This problem was proposed to us by our Chemistry professor. Consider a sample of a hydrocarbon at 0.959atm and 298K. Upon combusting the entire sample in oxygen, you collect a mixture of gaseous carbon dioxide and water vapor at 1.51atm and 375K. This mixture has a density of 1.391 g/L and occupies a volume four times as large as that of the pure hydrocarbon. Determine the molecular formula of the hydrocarbon.


I really do not know how to go about the problem. I think there's a relationship between the information that I am not seeing properly.
 
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Well here's a hint. In the formula for pressure. PV=nRT. n is the number of moles. Does that help you?
 
how can you re-write PV=nRT so that you can find molecular mass?

density equals what? how do you find moles?
 
I know the ideal gas law, how to find moles etc. Density = mass/volume. But I'm still getting confused with what to do with all the data.
 
Well the moles of the 2 are going to be the same. Think you can do it now?
 
This is what's on my scratch paper so far:

054 moles at 1.51atm/375k yields 1 liter
now molar wt for water is 18 g/m and CO2 is 44 g/m

say x is number of moles hydrogen needed
and y is number of moles carbon needed
from above we build a formula total moles equal to .054
so
x + y= .054
x=.054 -y
and we know that number moles times molar wt gives the weight and from above we know total weight is 1.391 g
so x *18g + y* 44g = 1.391g
or
18x + 44y = 1.39
x= (1.39 - 44y)/18
x= .077 - 2.44y
so combine
.077-2.44y = .054 - y
.077 - .054 = 2.44 y - y
.023 = 1.44 y
y = .016 mole
and
x=.054-.016
x= .038 mole
water to CO2 molar ratio is .038 /.016
or about 2 to 1
because water has 2 hydrogens and CO2 has only 1 carbon
the hydrogen to carbon ratio is 4 to 1
now find the size of the hydrocarbon buy finding the ratio of moles hydrocarbon to moles of CO2 /water mixture
ideal gas law ... pv=nrt or n=pv/rt
if the 1 subset is for before reaction
and the 2 subset is for after
r=(p1 v1)/(n1 t1) before
and
r= (p2 v2)/(n2 t2)
so
(p1 v1)/(n1 t1) = (p2 v2)/(n2 t2)
also some equalities
p2=(1.51/.959) p1= 1.57 p1
t2= 1.25 t1
v2 = 4 v1
so
( p1 v1 t2 )/(p2 v2 t1) = n1/n2
(p1 v1 1.25 t1)/(1.57 p1 4 v1 t1) =n1/n2
(1.25/ 4 * 1.57) =
n1/n2 = .2
5 n1 = n2
so you need 5 times more moles in the product then in the reactant.

Am I doing this right?
 

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