What Is the Molecular Formula of an Unknown Compound from Combustion Data?

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The discussion revolves around determining the molecular formula of an unknown compound based on combustion data, specifically the mass of carbon dioxide produced and the molecular weight of the compound. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical calculations related to combustion analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that without knowing the mass of water produced during combustion, it is challenging to determine the molecular formula of the unknown compound.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the mass of carbon in the compound sample based on the amount of CO2 produced.
  • A third participant calculates that there are 0.108 moles of carbon, equating to 1.29 g of carbon, but expresses uncertainty about how this information aids in solving the problem without the mass of water.
  • One participant proposes that the remaining mass of the sample, after accounting for carbon, could be attributed to hydrogen, but concludes that the question is ambiguous regarding the composition of the compound.
  • This participant also suggests a method to derive potential formulas by checking combinations of hydrogen and oxygen that fit the given molecular weight, indicating that a solution may exist despite initial doubts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about how to proceed without additional information, particularly the mass of water produced. There is no consensus on a definitive method to determine the molecular formula, and multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem are present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to missing information about the water produced during combustion and the ambiguity regarding the potential presence of other elements in the unknown compound.

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Burning a 3.230 g sample of the unknown compound in an excess of oxygen produces 4.7341 g of CO2 (carbon dioxide). The carbon initially in the unknown compound is completely converted to carbon in the CO2.

If it is determined that the molecular weight of the unknown compound is 180.16 g/mol, what is the correct molecular formula?

I don't see how I can do this without know the mass of H2O.
 
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Can you calculate mass of carbon in the compound sample?

Note: while you are missing something obvious, even after taking it into account it is still not possible to solve the problem, as it turns out compound contains more hydrogen than carbon (in terms of mass - so the molar ratio is even worse).
 
So there are 0.108 mols of C which is equal to 1.29g C. I still don't see how this helps since I do not know how much water was produced by this reaction.
 
OK, I probably misunderstood your question. Not that I am sure I understand it now.

My first idea was that if there was 3.230 g of the sample, and it contained 1.29 g of carbon, the remaining mass can be attributed to hydrogen - and then simply the answer is "no solution".

Chances are your comment about water really means "not knowing amount of water I can't calculate amount of oxygen in the original sample". Sadly, question is ambiguous, as it doesn't say anything about the composition - could be the compound contains any other elements as well. But let's assume it is just CnHkOl only.

We can easily calculate number of moles of the substance, so at least n in Cn is obvious. Then we know how much mass can be attributed to other elements. Then (with a brute force) we can check that there exist a reasonable CnHkOl formula that fits the data given - you just need such a pair of k, l that 16*l+k equals remaining part of the molar mass given.

I retract my earlier comment about lack of solution.
 

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