Determining non-conserved work from a collision

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a collision where the kinetic energy before the collision is known, and participants are trying to determine the non-conserved work associated with the collision. The subject area includes concepts of kinetic energy, potential energy, and conservation of momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the changes in kinetic and potential energy during the collision, questioning how these energies are affected. There is a focus on the transfer of kinetic energy and the implications of momentum conservation in determining final velocities.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using conservation of momentum to find new speeds and have pointed out that kinetic energy is lost in the process. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, including algebraic methods versus numerical calculations.

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There is an assumption that potential energy is zero, and participants are grappling with the implications of energy changes during the collision. The expected answer is noted, but the reasoning behind it remains under discussion.

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W=change in kinetic energy
So I know from a previous part of the problem that the kinetic energy right before the collision is 94.556.

The non conserved work would also equal the change in kinetic energy + change in potential energy.

What I don't understand is how the potential or kinetic energy would change during the collision. The potential energy is already 0 and wouldn't the kinetic energy just be transferred (so the object would slow down because its heavier).

answer is suppose to be -47.32
 

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JoeyBob said:
wouldnt the kinetic energy just be transferred
Never assume work is conserved without good reason. In a coalescence, as here, you can use conservation of momentum to find the new speed, and you will see that KE has been lost.
 
haruspex said:
Never assume work is conserved without good reason. In a coalescence, as here, you can use conservation of momentum to find the new speed, and you will see that KE has been lost.
So from conservation of momentum I find that the final velocity was 3.075, which gives a final kinetic energy, which allows me to calculate the change, which let's me find the work.
 
JoeyBob said:
So from conservation of momentum I find that the final velocity was 3.075, which gives a final kinetic energy, which allows me to calculate the change, which let's me find the work.
Yes, but it is much better, for several reasons, to solve a problem purely algebraically, only plugging in numbers at the very end. Had you done that, you would have found it was unnecessary to find the velocities, neither before impact nor after.
 

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