Determining State of Matter for a Compound

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the state of matter for various substances at standard conditions, specifically focusing on a question from a chemistry placement exam regarding which substance is a gas at 20 degrees Celsius and one atmosphere of pressure. The scope includes conceptual understanding and reasoning related to chemistry and states of matter.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about why O3 (ozone) is the correct answer, questioning whether this knowledge needs to be memorized or derived through reasoning.
  • Another participant suggests that knowledge of "descriptive chemistry" is important, indicating that some information is expected to be memorized for such questions.
  • A participant mentions that logical deduction and knowledge about the substances are crucial for answering the question, emphasizing that O3 is a gas found in the atmosphere.
  • Concerns are raised about needing to "guess" on the exam if prior knowledge is lacking, highlighting the pressure of the exam format.
  • Further discussion includes the reasoning that carbon and calcium do not exist as gases under the specified conditions, while iodine (I2) may be a liquid, introducing some uncertainty about its state at standard conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the knowledge of states of matter should be memorized or derived through reasoning. There are differing views on how much prior knowledge is necessary for answering such questions effectively.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the question requires understanding of standard conditions and the properties of the substances involved, but there is no agreement on the best approach to answering it. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the substances and their states at given conditions.

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Recently, I have been studying for a chemistry placement exam for college. On the sample exam (which I have been studying with), one of the questions asks, "Which of the following substances is a gas at 20 degrees Celsius and one atmosphere of pressure?

A.) O3

B.) C

C.) I2

D.) Ca

The answer to the question was O3, but I really don't know why. Is this some kind of given that needs to be memorized, or do I need to do some work to get to the answer? (I can reason out Ca though.)

Thanks for your help,

Ryan
 
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rmccabe916 said:
(snip) --- needs to be memorized --- (snip)

This is what used to be called "descriptive chemistry" --- knowing a few things --- has fallen by the wayside in the textbook business. You'll get a little in Greenwood & Earnshaw, or Cotton & Wilkinson (upper level inorganic), but pretty much left to fend for yourself otherwise.
 
So I'll have to "guess" if I see another question like this that I don't know on the real placement exam? :frown:
 
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You just need to show a little knowlage about what each substance is and a logical deduction of the answer, it wouldn't supprise me if the real marks in such a question are for explaining why you chose your answer rather than the answer itself.

O3 is of course Ozone, and you can state a little about what it is and where its found ( including at photocopying machines, where it can be smelled as a strange "fresh air" type smell, which is one of those facts you pick up and don't seem to forget ). You can deduce that its likley to be a gas at thos conditions because its found in the atmosphere as a gas.

Then you could eplain away the others by contradiction, solids or liquids under the stated conditions, giving examples.

In most tests a periodic table is given, and you could also say a little about what information you can get from that to help add weight to your argument.

Its entirley dependent on how much effort/reward there is for the question imo.
 
Recently, I have been studying for a chemistry placement exam for college. On the sample exam (which I have been studying with), one of the questions asks, "Which of the following substances is a gas at 20 degrees Celsius and one atmosphere of pressure?

A.) O3

The question is basically asking which is a gas at near standard conditions (e.g. room temperature and pressure), you need to read into the question; that is think things through. Ozone should stick out right away since you know it is an actual Earth gas. Niether carbon nor calcium makes sense, calcium gas consist of its ion constituents, while carbon conforms itself to tetravalent structures. I would have questioned I2 though it's not like chlorine gas in the sense that it is higher in molecular weight, and thus it may be a liquid at STP. However, I believe that it's an exception mentioned in almost all chemistry texts.
 

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