Determining the Damping Factors in Guitar Bodies: A Scientific Inquiry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the factors influencing the damping characteristics of guitar bodies in relation to string vibrations. Participants explore the roles of mass, rigidity, and coupling in the damping ratio, as well as the frequency dependence of these effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the mass or rigidity of the guitar contributes more significantly to the damping ratio experienced by the strings, and whether this damping is frequency dependent.
  • Another participant defines damping ratio in terms of energy loss and suggests that the guitar body acts similarly to a loudspeaker cone, with its mass and area affecting sound radiation and energy loss from the string.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of coupling impedance between the string and the neck, noting that this can lead to dead spots in sustain on some guitars.
  • One participant proposes that stiffness is the primary determinant of damping ratio, with mass being relevant only in its effect on stiffness, and connects frequency dependence to structural/hysteric damping rather than viscous damping.
  • Another participant discusses how radiation resistance and power increase with frequency, suggesting a relationship between body dimensions and wavelength.
  • A later reply raises the question of whether higher frequencies dissipate faster due to the size of the guitar or the material properties of wood, indicating uncertainty in the factors at play.
  • One participant mentions the influence of the player’s interaction with the guitar, noting the physical contact with the body and neck.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the contributions of mass and stiffness to damping, as well as the mechanisms behind frequency dependence. No consensus is reached on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific influences on damping characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of factors affecting damping, including structural characteristics, material properties, and player interaction, without resolving the interplay between these elements.

Landru
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My question is fairly simple, but I'm having a hard time finding the answer.

A guitar body dampens the vibration of a guitar string to some degree by contorting slightly as the string oscillates, and then producing sound waves and heat in turn.

My question is; is it the mass the of the guitar, or the rigidity of the guitar, or somehow both, that contribute to the damping ratio it imparts on the strings?

Also, in either case, will the damping ratio be frequency dependent, and if so, what causes that to be the case?
 
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I would define damping ratio as 1/Q, or the energy stored in the vibrating string divided by the energy lost each cycle. If there were no sound radiation or heat produced then the string would go on for ever. The body of the guitar moves because it is coupled to the string by the mechanical construction, and in doing so it acts as a piston moving the air. Some of the energy given to the air is just stored, like a spring. and some is lost for ever as radiation. The latter portion is the energy taken from the string.
So energy is taken from the string because the guitar body has a large area and couples some of the energy to the air. This means that more energy is lost by the string for each cycle, and therefore the vibration dies away faster.
You ask about what makes the body a good radiator. No doubt, to respond to the vibration it should have small mass, and be freely mounted, and have large area. Just like a loud speaker cone. It will, of course, have resonances which alter the characteristics at certain frequencies. There may also be air inside the body, which also has resonances and is part of the radiation mechanism.
 
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Damping on a guitar does depend on those factors but also on the coupling impedance of the sting to the neck where the sting is fretted. This is variable on most instruments and produces dead spots (lack of sustain) on some necks. This article is worth a look:

https://www.unibw.de/lrt4/mechanik/mitarbeiter/ehem-mitarbeiter/hfleischer/deadspots-en

Cheers
 
Thanks for the responses and the link.

After reading more from that linked page, I think the answer to my question is that it's only the degree of stiffness of the guitar that determines what it's damping ratio will be in the context of the oscillating string, and that the overall mass of the guitar is only relevant in terms of how much more or less stiff it might serve to make the guitar.

As for why the dampening is frequency dependent, I take it this is because the guitar body represents "structural / hysteric damping" instead of the "viscous damping", and hysteric damping takes into account the resonant frequency or frequencies of the damping structure.
 
Landru said:
Thanks for the responses and the link.

After reading more from that linked page, I think the answer to my question is that it's only the degree of stiffness of the guitar that determines what it's damping ratio will be in the context of the oscillating string, and that the overall mass of the guitar is only relevant in terms of how much more or less stiff it might serve to make the guitar.

As for why the dampening is frequency dependent, I take it this is because the guitar body represents "structural / hysteric damping" instead of the "viscous damping", and hysteric damping takes into account the resonant frequency or frequencies of the damping structure.
Further to the losses in the structure etc, the radiation resistance and hence the radiated power will increase rapidly with frequency, as the dimensions of the body become greater than half the wavelength.
 
tech99 said:
Further to the losses in the structure etc, the radiation resistance and hence the radiated power will increase rapidly with frequency, as the dimensions of the body become greater than half the wavelength.

Are the higher frequencies dissipated faster than lower ones due to the overall size of the guitar, or is because wood dampens higher frequencies more than low ones, both or neither?
 
I suppose there is the player to consider as well. The guitar is held against the body (for most styles) and the hand is holding the neck.
 

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