MHB Determining the Function with Identities

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The discussion focuses on proving that a function f(x) is constant given certain identities. The identities include f(x) ≠ 0 for all x in ℝ, f(0) = f(2/3), and a specific integral equality involving f. One participant outlines their approach, leading to the conclusion that f(x) = c, but another points out a flaw in the last step and suggests that without continuity, alternative functions could satisfy the conditions. A direct proof is also provided, showing that if f is continuous and satisfies f(ax + b) = f(x), then f must be constant. The conversation emphasizes the importance of continuity in determining the nature of the function.
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Hi guys!I have a question..How can I show that the function that has the following identities:

\bullet f(x)\neq 0 ,x\in\mathbb{R}.
\bullet f(0)=f\left(\dfrac{2}{3}\right).
\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}
is f(x)=c..??
That's what I did:

=>\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}

\frac{f(x)f(0)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})f(\frac{2}{3})}=\frac{f^2{(x)}}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3})} .

Because f(0)=f(\frac{2}{3})

\frac{f(x)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})}=\frac{f^{2}(x)}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3}){}}

=> f^2{(\frac{2+x}{3})}f(x)=f^2{(x)}f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}

=>f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}=f(x) , f(x) \neq 0

=>f(x)=c

Is this right? :confused:
 
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evinda said:
Hi guys!I have a question..How can I show that the function that has the following identities:

\bullet f(x)\neq 0 ,x\in\mathbb{R}.
\bullet f(0)=f\left(\dfrac{2}{3}\right).
\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}
is f(x)=c..??
That's what I did:

=>\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}

\frac{f(x)f(0)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})f(\frac{2}{3})}=\frac{f^2{(x)}}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3})} .

Because f(0)=f(\frac{2}{3})

\frac{f(x)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})}=\frac{f^{2}(x)}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3}){}}

=> f^2{(\frac{2+x}{3})}f(x)=f^2{(x)}f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}

=>f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}=f(x) , f(x) \neq 0

=>f(x)=c

Is this right? :confused:

Hi evinda!

It all looks good except for the last step.
(Oh, and you may want to add $dt$ to both integrals. ;))

For instance, since you did not specify that f is continuous, another solution would be:
$$f(x)=\begin{cases}
1 & \text{ if } \exists k \in \mathbb Z \text{ such that } x=1-3^k \\
2 & \text{ otherwise}
\end{cases}$$

With the additional condition that f is continuous, it does follow that $f(x)=C$.
This can be proven by picking a point with a different value and consider what that means for the limit where $x \to 1$ (proof by contradiction).
 
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Nice!Thank you veery much! :p
 
Hi,
I can't quite figure out the hint. But here's a direct proof:
Let a and b be any reals with -1<a<1 and f a continuous function with f(ax+b)=f(x) for all x. Then f is a constant function.
Proof.
Let x be any real. Define the sequence xn inductively by x0 = x and for for n>0, xn=axn-1+b. Then an easy induction shows xn=anx+b(an-1)/(a-1). By hypothesis, f(x)=f(xn) for all n. So f(x)=limit as n approaches infinity f(xn)=f(-b/(a-1)); i.e. f is constant.
 
Great..Thank you! :o
 
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