Determining whether an integral converges based on comparison

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the integral $$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x + x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$ and the application of comparison tests in determining its behavior. Participants explore the logic behind comparing this integral to another integral, $$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$, and examine the conditions under which certain inequalities hold.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the integral $$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x + x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$ is smaller than $$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$ and concludes that it must converge based on this comparison.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the comparison by challenging the assertion that $$\frac{2}{3} > 1$$ and proposes to show that $$\left(x+x^2\right)^{\frac{1}{3}} \le x$$ under certain conditions.
  • Further exploration involves raising both sides of the inequality to the power of 3, leading to the expression $$x + x^2 \le x^3$$, and participants discuss whether this is sufficient proof for the original inequality.
  • Participants analyze the quadratic inequality $$x^2 - x - 1 \ge 0$$ and seek to determine the conditions under which it holds true, specifically for values of $$x > 1$$.
  • Questions arise regarding specific values, such as $$x = \frac{3}{2}$$, and the roots of the quadratic equation, indicating a search for deeper understanding of the inequality's validity.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the reasoning process and the role of the variable $$a$$ in the context of the inequality being evaluated.
  • There is a discussion on how to evaluate the expression $$\frac{(x + x^2)^{\frac{1}{3}}}{x}$$ to further analyze the inequality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the convergence of the integral or the validity of the comparisons being made. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the inequalities and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which the inequalities hold, and there are unresolved mathematical steps related to the evaluation of the expressions involved.

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I have this integral

$$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x + x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$

I think this is smaller than

$$\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x^2)^\frac{1}{3}} \,dx$$

The latter converges since $p = \frac{2}{3}$ which is greater than 1. Therefore, since the first integral is smaller than the second integral it must also converge. However, the answer is that it diverges. What is the error in my logic?
 
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Well for starters, is it really true that $$\frac{2}{3}>1$$?

We know that:

$$\int_1^{\infty}\frac{1}{x}\,dx$$ diverges. So, what we can do is try to show that:

$$\left(x+x^2\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\le x$$ where $$1\le a\le x$$
 
MarkFL said:
Well for starters, is it really true that $$\frac{2}{3}>1$$?

We know that:

$$\int_1^{\infty}\frac{1}{x}\,dx$$ diverges. So, what we can do is try to show that:

$$\left(x+x^2\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\le x$$ where $$1\le a\le x$$

If I raise each side to the power of 3, I get:

$$x + x^2 \le x^3$$

Is that enough proof that $$\left(x+x^2\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\le x$$?
 
tmt said:
If I raise each side to the power of 3, I get:

$$x + x^2 \le x^3$$

Is that enough proof that $$\left(x+x^2\right)^{\frac{1}{3}}\le x$$?

Since $1<x$, we can divide through by $x$ and then arrange as follows:

$$x^2-x-1\ge0$$

Where is this true?
 
MarkFL said:
Since $1<x$, we can divide through by $x$ and then arrange as follows:

$$x^2-x-1\ge0$$

Where is this true?

So

$$x^2-x\ge 1$$

and

$$x(x - 1)\ge 1$$

so it looks like this is true whenever x is greater than 1.
 
What about $$x=\frac{3}{2}$$?

What are the roots of $x^2-x-1=0$?
 
MarkFL said:
Since $1<x$, we can divide through by $x$ and then arrange as follows:

$$x^2-x-1\ge0$$

Where is this true?

I'm having trouble reasoning about this.

We need to make this assertion $(x + x^2)^{\frac{1}{3}} \le x$ where $1 \le a \le x$. (What is $a$ here, by the way?).

Since $x > 1$, we can do:

$ \frac{(x + x^2)^{\frac{1}{3}}}{x} \le \frac{x}{x}$

Or $ \frac{(x + x^2)^{\frac{1}{3}}}{x} \le 1$

But how can we evaluate $\frac{(x + x^2)^{\frac{1}{3}}}{x}$?
 

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