Determining which statement is true

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The discussion revolves around determining the truth of several mathematical statements regarding divisibility, specifically for a fixed positive integer n. Participants explore the validity of these statements through examples and reasoning, while also addressing the need for rigorous proof beyond mere examples.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if n is divisible by 6, then n is also divisible by 3, citing examples such as n=12 and n=18 to support this claim.
  • Others argue that proving a mathematical statement requires more than two examples, suggesting that a proof applicable to all positive integers or a counterexample is necessary.
  • One participant questions the validity of the statement that if n is divisible by 3, then n is divisible by 6, using n=9 as a counterexample.
  • Another statement discussed is that if n² is divisible by 6, then n must also be divisible by 6, with examples provided to support this claim.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of finding a chain of assumptions and proofs or a disproving example to verify or falsify the assumptions made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the sufficiency of using examples to prove the statements, with some asserting that more rigorous proof is needed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the truth of the statements without further proof.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted limitation in the discussion regarding the reliance on specific examples to establish the truth of mathematical statements, as well as the need for a more comprehensive approach to proof.

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We are given several statements and we must determine which one is true, n is a fixed positive integer, it asks which statement is true regardless of which positive integer n you choose?

The first one states that if n is divisible by 6, then n is divisible by 3.
I chose 12 for n and it was true.
I chose 18 for n and it was true as well.
Does this mean that the statement is true? Because I believe it is true.

Another one states if n is divisible by 3, then n is divisible by 6.
This one is still true because if you substitute 12 and 18 it still holds true.

Another one also states that if n2 is divisible by 6, then n is divisible by 6.
I chose 6 for n and it held true, ((6)2)/6 and 6/6 worked out meaning it must be true.

Is this the correct way to solve this question or am I doing it incorrectly?

Thank you.
 
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ver_mathstats said:
We are given several statements and we must determine which one is true, n is a fixed positive integer, it asks which statement is true regardless of which positive integer n you choose?

Is this the correct way to solve this question or am I doing it incorrectly?

Good morning,

first of all, if this is some kind of homework please use the homework forum with its template. Secondly, it doesn't suffice to prove a mathematical statement with two examples, so I think you should find a proof, which applies for the infinity of numbers (or one converse example for disprooving).

ver_mathstats said:
The first one states that if n is divisible by 6, then n is divisible by 3.
I chose 12 for n and it was true.
I chose 18 for n and it was true as well.
Does this mean that the statement is true? Because I believe it is true.

Assumption: ##n\;mod\;6 = 0 \rightarrow n\;mod\;3 = 0##
##6 = 2\cdot 3##
##\frac{n}{6} = \frac{n}{2\cdot 3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{n}{3} \rightarrow \frac{n}{3}\;mod\;2 = 0##
The modulo of a number only can be zero, if it is integral, therefore ##\frac{n}{3}## must be an integral and ##n\;mod\;3 = 0##

ver_mathstats said:
Another one states if n is divisible by 3, then n is divisible by 6.
This one is still true because if you substitute 12 and 18 it still holds true.

What about the ##n=9##?

ver_mathstats said:
Another one also states that if n2 is divisible by 6, then n is divisible by 6.
I chose 6 for n and it held true, ((6)2)/6 and 6/6 worked out meaning it must be true.

Try by yourself. Find a chain of assumptions and proofs or one disprooving example to verify or falsify the assumption.
 
stockzahn said:
Good morning,

first of all, if this is some kind of homework please use the homework forum with its template. Secondly, it doesn't suffice to prove a mathematical statement with two examples, so I think you should find a proof, which applies for the infinity of numbers (or one converse example for disprooving).
Assumption: ##n\;mod\;6 = 0 \rightarrow n\;mod\;3 = 0##
##6 = 2\cdot 3##
##\frac{n}{6} = \frac{n}{2\cdot 3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{n}{3} \rightarrow \frac{n}{3}\;mod\;2 = 0##
The modulo of a number only can be zero, if it is integral, therefore ##\frac{n}{3}## must be an integral and ##n\;mod\;3 = 0##
What about the ##n=9##?
Try by yourself. Find a chain of assumptions and proofs or one disprooving example to verify or falsify the assumption.

I was unaware of the homework template, I shall start using that now, my apologies. Thank you for the help. I am going to retry the question right now.
 
ver_mathstats said:
I was unaware of the homework template, I shall start using that now, my apologies. Thank you for the help. I am going to retry the question right now.
The homework template is automatically inserted when you post in the homework forum:
https://www.physicsforums.com/forums/calculus-and-beyond-homework.156/
where your questions actually should have been posted.
 

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