Did All Carnivorous Dinosaurs Have Speed and Agility?

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The discussion revolves around the speed and agility of carnivorous dinosaurs, questioning whether all or most of them possessed these traits. It explores various perspectives on the adaptations of carnivorous species, both in modern times and during the age of dinosaurs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that slow movement would not be adaptive for carnivores due to energy considerations, implying that most carnivorous dinosaurs were likely fast and agile.
  • Another participant counters by providing examples of slow-moving carnivorous species in the present day, such as certain spiders and ambush predators, questioning the assumption that all carnivorous dinosaurs were fast.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that carrion eaters do not need to be fast, as their prey does not run away, suggesting that some carnivorous dinosaurs could have been slow.
  • Participants discuss specific groups of dinosaurs, such as Theropods, noting that while many were agile, some evolved different traits over time, including herbivory.
  • There is mention of specific dinosaurs like Velociraptors and T-Rex, with claims regarding their speed, but these claims are not universally accepted or verified within the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether all carnivorous dinosaurs were fast and agile, with some arguing for the likelihood of slow-moving carnivorous dinosaurs and others maintaining that speed is a necessary trait for carnivores. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding definitions of speed and agility, as well as the evolutionary context of various species. The examples provided may not fully encompass the diversity of carnivorous adaptations in both modern and prehistoric contexts.

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I just wanted to ask that are all or most carnivorous dinosaurs were fast and agile?
 
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Using slow movement to capture fast moving prey would not be adaptive for a carnivore--you need to consider energy needs vs energy expended.
Suppose the meat at the meat market was always moving around the store to stay away from customers (you) and you only ate meat and moved very slow. How long before the lettuce looked inviting ? Recall that carnivores are "flesh" eaters, modern day species include mammals (cats, dogs, wolf, lion, tiger, coyote), reptiles (alligator, Komono dragon--a lizard), fish (shark). Since slow moving carnivores are unknown in present time, no reason to expect they were present in dinosaurs.
 
Rade said:
Since slow moving carnivores are unknown in present time...

well...
Google hit #1 from "slow-moving carnivore"...
http://cornellcollege.edu/biology/insects2005/6cassiecaroline/6mantis.htm

how about spiders (all are carnivores), carnivorous plants, grouper fish (and other ambush attackers)...

Although I suppose "slow" is relative. The above examples move slow in general except perhaps for a quick death strike. If I kept searching, I suspect I'd find slow-moving insectivores, which I think can also be thought of as a carnivore (like spiders).

As for larger animals...hmm...not sure off-hand. I was going to say Komodo dragons, which are generally slow, but I see that they can have bursts of speed.
 
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The victims of carrion eaters don't run much about, so the carrion eaters can be slow.
 
Do you mean Theropods? A lot of early Theropods were carnivorous and agile, but later on some evolved into herbivory. In fact, modern birds are derived from Theropod ancestors.

With regard to general rules in Biology - exceptions abound.

Example:
All rodents are herbivorous. Not quite: Grasshopper mice are carnivores.
 
Ant-eaters are slow, but again, their death strike is fast (tongue). I was also going to observe carrion eaters are meat-a-sauruses and don't need to be fast, but someone beat me to it :p
 
I meant dinosaurs like Velociraptors, Utahraptors, Deinonychus and I read that the T-Rex could run up to 35 mph.
 

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