Did Bush really say these things? :O

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The discussion revolves around various statements made by former President George W. Bush, exploring perceptions of his intelligence and communication skills, as well as broader reflections on U.S. political dynamics between Republicans and Democrats. The scope includes commentary on public figures, political rhetoric, and personal anecdotes related to political understanding.

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  • Some participants express frustration with Bush's communication style, noting a perceived lack of awareness regarding his verbal missteps.
  • One participant references a specific quote from Bush about dictatorship, claiming to have seen footage of it.
  • Another participant highlights the frequency of Bush's verbal gaffes, suggesting it sets him apart from other public figures.
  • A participant discusses a speech by Donald Rumsfeld, pointing out a mix-up between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, questioning the implications of such confusion.
  • Several participants share their confusion regarding U.S. political parties, with one noting the transient nature of distinctions between Republicans and Democrats.
  • Another participant mentions the ideological polarization in the U.S., suggesting that many people do not fit neatly into the categories of liberal or conservative.
  • Some participants reflect on the historical context of party ideologies, indicating that perceptions of the parties have changed over time.
  • One participant critiques the effectiveness of both parties in addressing social issues, particularly regarding tax policies and moral values.

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Participants express a range of opinions about Bush's intelligence and communication, with no clear consensus on the implications of his statements or the effectiveness of U.S. political parties. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of political ideologies and their evolution over time.

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Some statements reflect personal opinions and anecdotal evidence rather than established facts. The discussion includes references to specific quotes and political contexts that may not be universally understood or agreed upon.

  • #31
Outcast said:
Gokul43201 Our election is based on The Electoral College System and not the popular vote.

Thank you for teaching me about the Electoral College. It's where the voters go after Electoral High School, right ? Now I understand everything.

And perhaps you have me confused with waste, who said that the people determine the President. I was going to point out that they really don't, and that it's the EC that does.

Hmmm...so how does your big, red map reflect the electoral votes ?

(except for small variations, one can use that map for population density...like this one below)

[url]http://www.cast.uark.edu/local/catalog/national/images/maps/Population.dir/USpop1990.gif[/url]
 
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  • #32
Is there a correlation between intelligence and the density of population where you live ? I do think there is :-p
 
  • #33
Monique said:
No, he won 5.9% of the vote, as the stats make clear. No, 16 million more people voted for Bush than Gore.
Are you missing the word "by" in that first sentence?

Anyway, its interesting that by population (voting and non-voting) Bush had more people than Gore. I've never thought about it before, but if you have kids, should you get an extra vote...?
 
  • #34
russ_watters said:
Anyway, its interesting that by population (voting and non-voting) Bush had more people than Gore.

I'll bet he has Utah to thank for some of that. :biggrin: What's their birth-rate like ?
 
  • #35
russ_watters said:
if you have kids, should you get an extra vote...?
This is ridiculous, nobody ever implied that, because kids are not supposed to understand politics, so it has been established they have no right to vote. You perfecly understand the point without needing any explanation.

In indirect systems, it may occur that the elected president was chosen by only a minority of people having the right to give their vote.

Did anyone need this clarification ?
 
  • #36
This is the very basis of democraty by the way. Democratic systems are already not perfect. There is no need to flaw them even more by introducing several levels in the election process.

What is this doing in GD ?
 
  • #37
humanino said:
Is there a correlation between intelligence and the density of population where you live ? I do think there is :-p
Gee it that's true, them maybe I should have gone to prison instead of college.
:smile: http://www.coursework.info/i/41627.html
 
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  • #38
Outcast said:
Overcrowding prisons has been an rising issue in American society.
:smile:
One has plenty of time to study there :rolleyes:
 
  • #39
humanino said:
This is ridiculous, nobody ever implied that, because kids are not supposed to understand politics, so it has been established they have no right to vote.

Should adults who don't understand politics also have no vote then ?

:-p :-p

cheers,
Patrick.
 
  • #40
I guess, they could dice-vote. That would be better. :-p
 
  • #41
vanesch said:
Should adults who don't understand politics also have no vote then ?

:-p :-p
I've always been against voting for that very reason.
 
  • #42
vanesch said:
Should adults who don't understand politics also have no vote then ?

:-p :-p

cheers,
Patrick.

They have a statistically accepted capability to understand the impact of their vote. That some choose not to, is a different matter.

Back to Bushisms, here's the latest :

"Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

Here's the video :

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.buzzflash.com%2F04%2F09%2Fbushlove.wmv
 
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  • #43
Has anyone done "They misunderestimated me!" yet?
 
  • #44
That has now gone beyond the limited realm of a Bushism, and is gradually making it's way into mainstream English. Soon everyone will be misunderestimating like crazy. :-p
 
  • #45
Gokul43201 said:
That has now gone beyond the limited realm of a Bushism, and is gradually making it's way into mainstream English. Soon everyone will be misunderestimating like crazy. :-p
thats pretty daft aint it, i usualy miunderestimated my opponants in hockey, the only reason I'm better is that they misunderestimate me far worse, hehe
 

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