Did Einstein Formulate an Aberration of Light Using Tangents?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the existence of a formula for the aberration of light expressed in terms of tangents, as potentially formulated by Einstein. Participants explore whether such a formula exists in Einstein's writings or if it has been derived from other sources. The conversation touches on mathematical equivalence, historical credit for equations, and the implications of using different trigonometric functions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Clovis, seeks a specific formula for aberration of light in terms of tangents from Einstein's writings, expressing uncertainty about its existence.
  • Another participant, Sienna, notes that while they are unsure if Einstein explicitly used tangents, the expressions for aberration are mathematically equivalent when derived from the Lorentz transformation and trigonometry.
  • Clovis clarifies that their inquiry is to credit the tangent equation on a website, suggesting a desire for proper attribution.
  • A participant argues that modifying an equation using basic math does not constitute a new result that requires crediting, using the Pythagorean theorem as an example.
  • Another participant references historical formulas for tangent aberration from Plummer and von Laue, indicating that such formulations exist outside of Einstein's work.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of tangent versus sine and cosine in formulas, with a caution about the implications for computational applications.
  • There is a contention regarding the significance of Einstein's algebraic work in his 1905 paper, with one participant arguing that it should be recognized as a new result despite being derived using high-school level math.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Einstein formulated an aberration of light equation in terms of tangents. There is no consensus on the necessity of crediting modifications of equations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the historical attribution of such formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various historical sources for tangent aberration formulas, indicating that the discussion may depend on definitions and interpretations of mathematical expressions. The conversation also highlights the potential for confusion in computational contexts when using different trigonometric functions.

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Did Einstein ever give a formula for the aberration of light in terms of tangents?
Hello, everyone. I am trying to find an aberration of light formula in Einstein's writings that is given in terms of tangents. I did a fairly thorough internet search and all I could find was the formula he wrote in terms of cosines. Yet I have a vague memory that somewhere he did give the formula in terms of tangents.

Am I misremembering this or did he write such a tangents formula? Thank you. Any help would be appreciated.Clovis
 
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No idea whether he ever expressed it explicitly in terms of tangents rather than cosines, but—at the risk of stating something you already know—the expressions are mathematically equivalent and follow from combining the Lorentz transformation with basic trigonometry.
 
Thank you, Sienna. The reason for my question was merely to give proper credit for the tangent equation in a website that I am working on. But I appreciate your reply, all the same.

Clovis
 
Clovis said:
Thank you, Sienna. The reason for my question was merely to give proper credit for the tangent equation in a website that I am working on. But I appreciate your reply, all the same.

Clovis
The point is that modifying an equation by high school math is not considered a new result in need of crediting. The Pythagorean theorem can be written with or without square root. Does anyone care who first happened to write it using the modern symbol for square root, rather than in terms of squares?
 
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PAllen said:
The point is that modifying an equation by high school math is not considered a new result in need of crediting. The Pythagorean theorem can be written with or without square root. Does anyone care who first happened to write it using the modern symbol for square root, rather than in terms of squares?
Hm, the first part of Einstein's 1905 paper is just algebraic and should be doable at high-school level. Are you saying that thus Einstein's first (and in a sense most important) part of this paper should not be "considered a new result in need of crediting", only because it's doable with high-school math? That's pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
 
Be careful with formulae which use tan rather than cos and sin! What you usually really need is not simply arctan but what's called atan2 in many computer languages (including my still beloved FORTRAN ;-))).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Hm, the first part of Einstein's 1905 paper is just algebraic and should be doable at high-school level. Are you saying that thus Einstein's first (and in a sense most important) part of this paper should not be "considered a new result in need of crediting", only because it's doable with high-school math? That's pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
Come on, I meant that rearranging an equation using trig identities doesn't make it a new result. Otherwise, look at all the papers one could publish for trivialities.
 
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