Did God Intend to Create Insanity?

[TENYEARS]

That would be god I witnessed/experienced, same as Mosses, or the same as black elk or the homeless guy down the street or anyone else who witnessed the truth. I am me, but me was born to a catholic practicing family and I still practice with my own family. This label has no limitations for limitations are not real, but for those who make it real in their "mind".


Note: If an "insane" person does not have free will, do any of you? You call out what you believe and that is all. You decide upon what you believe and what you believe for the most part contradicts itself and you do not know the difference. This is the truth. A forum is like TV right, entertainment, an excuse, a little mind candy.

 

[syzygy]

I think the question is insane. Did God create bashfulness, bravado, ADHD, pleurisy, arthritis? If God created us he got the whole ball of wax. Did he have all our parts scattered on the ground and say, ok, the arm goes here, the torso there, oh, yes, and let's not forget to throw in the insanity! But where do I put it? I know! I'll put it in Eve's head and Adam's genitals.

 

[pmb_phy]

If we and this world were indeed created by an almighty "god" then "he" could not have created insanity. According to christians, we were all created with free will and that is the reason that there is violence and suffering in the world. However, insane people do not necessarily have free will. The reasoning behind this "free will" is flawed as some people do not have it all of the time. Why would "god" "create" insanity?

I don't believe that God created insanity. All things that exist are not creations of God in my opinion. Things happen which God doesn't like. For example, God didn't like how humans turned out at one point, i.e.

Genisis 6:6 - The Lord was grieved that he had made man on earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

Do you think that God forsaw how man would turn out and he knew that he'd be in pain and have to wipe them out before he even created the universe? I don't think its that way. I think that some things he doesn't know and that's how things will come to be and how humans will turn out, sickness and all. In this case God did not forsee people being scum that he'd have to wipe out with the great flood.

But this is my personal opinion.

Pete

 

[syzygy]

I don't believe that God created insanity. All things that exist are not creations of God in my opinion. Things happen which God doesn't like. For example, God didn't like how humans turned out at one point, i.e.

Do you think that God forsaw how man would turn out and he knew that he'd be in pain and have to wipe them out before he even created the universe? I don't think its that way. I think that some things he doesn't know and that's how things will come to be and how humans will turn out, sickness and all. In this case God did not forsee people being scum that he'd have to wipe out with the great flood.

But this is my personal opinion.

Pete

Have you ever known a newborn child to be scum? A 2 yr. old? If God didn't know that the people he created would turn out to be scum, and he IS supposed to be all-knowing, is he not, then how could he know that the children he supposedly wiped out couldn't have been worthwhile human beings if they'd been given the chance to live? It's all a bunch of poppy cock in my estimation. If I'm going to believe in a god, it will be a more benevolent one than one who says the hell with it, you're all going to die. And people wonder how other people can be atheists...

 

[False Prophet]

Why did God create insanity?

Because he's INSANE!

 

[Matter]

No ideas

If there was no 'insane' would there be 'sanity'?

 

[Matter]

I don't believe that God created insanity. All things that exist are not creations of God in my opinion. Things happen which God doesn't like. For example, God didn't like how humans turned out at one point, i.e.

Do you think that God forsaw how man would turn out and he knew that he'd be in pain and have to wipe them out before he even created the universe? I don't think its that way. I think that some things he doesn't know and that's how things will come to be and how humans will turn out, sickness and all. In this case God did not forsee people being scum that he'd have to wipe out with the great flood.

But this is my personal opinion.

Pete

"God didn't know"! which bible are you reading? From the bits I've botherd reading 'he' (thats God) comes a cross as all knowing!

 

[pmb_phy]

"God didn't know"! which bible are you reading? From the bits I've botherd reading 'he' (thats God) comes a cross as all knowing!

Please show me where the Bible says that God is all knowing and what that means. For all I know it means that God knows all there is to know and since the future is not here yet then that is not something knowable. I can't see how there can be free will when God knows all details of the future. Please explain that to me.

Also did you not read where I said - But this is my personal opinion?That means that if the Bible says the God is all knowing and that means he knows the future then I think the Bible is wrong on that point. God did not write the Bible. People did.

Have you ever known a newborn child to be scum? A 2 yr. old? If God didn't know that the people he created would turn out to be scum, and he IS supposed to be all-knowing, is he not, then how could he know that the children he supposedly wiped out couldn't have been worthwhile human beings if they'd been given the chance to live?

When I see God I'll ask him and get back to you. In anycase you're jumping to conclusions. For all we know God wiped them all out because he knows that scum will raise their children to be scum. Since we don't know anything about those people we can't say.

It's all a bunch of poppy cock in my estimation. If I'm going to believe in a god, it will be a more benevolent one than one who says the hell with it, you're all going to die. And people wonder how other people can be atheists...

You're assuming that death is a horrible thing in the eyes of God. Tell us - If you believe in God and the Bible then what is it you think happens after death? Especially from back then. We don't know any facts, that's for sure. For all we know God "recycled" those souls into a new life where they got to start all over again in a decent society.

And people wonder why God and the Bible has a bad reputation - they think they can read and understand the mind of God.

Pete

 

[Matter]

you are correct, I have been unable to find a passage in the bible that says god knows the future. My apologys on my uninformed assumption.

 

[olde drunk]

i see a god that is 'aware' of all that happens; not knowing. we have freewill to experience this world, this is our current focus and playground.

if we come to understand experience, we move on to other areas of the universe. if we become enamoured of this world or fail to get the message, we get recycled.

love&peace,
olde drunk

 

[pmb_phy]

you are correct, I have been unable to find a passage in the bible that says god knows the future. My apologys on my uninformed assumption.

No problemo. We live and learn. After all, that's why we're here, right?

Pete

 

[syzygy]

As to His Omnipresence:

"and He it is that encompasses all things." (IV : 126).

" . . . . and wherever you turn, there is God's countenance. Lo! God is All-Embracing, All-Knowing." (QsII : 115).

 

[pmb_phy]

As to His Omnipresence:

"and He it is that encompasses all things." (IV : 126).

" . . . . and wherever you turn, there is God's countenance. Lo! God is All-Embracing, All-Knowing." (QsII : 115).

As I said above - For all I know it means that God knows all there is to know and since the future is not here yet then that is not something knowable.

Pete

 

[TENYEARS]

The real truth is you are afraid to realize what you already know because the truth of god is so dam scarry that you would rather deny reality, than be subject to the pain of knowing the truth. It is normal, it is part of the process. Life sometimes puts us in a position for the realization of this truth and sometimes not. The old must be cleared away for the mind to see what is. Would you know words born from truth or must they be the word of the day the week the month. Must it be the headline in science magazine or the latesest periodical, if these are your truths if books are the source of you knowlege, then you will be blind until they are not.

 

[False Prophet]

God has a crystal ball, he can see the future just like we can see the past. Maybe God is the future and the past. God is so rich at least he could go buy a crystal ball to see the future.

 

[Thallium]

God did not create insanity. It was the Devil who interfered with sanity.

 

[cragwolf]

God creates insanity to cure it.

That would be a very sadistic god.

 

[Loren Booda]

I think so when I feel insane.

 

[Artorius]

The question, "Why would god create insanity?" implies the existence of this thing called "god." So, I ask, "What is god?" Since this question cannot be answered intelligibly, the question regarding the existence of insanity similarly cannot be answered within the context of this thing called "god."

Within the context of science, however, the presence of insanity can be explained as an imbalance in chemicals that are in the brain, a lack of development of a certain part of the brain, or some injury to the brain. Science can explain insanity's existence. This "god" thing cannot.

 

[Philocrat]

If we and this world were indeed created by an almighty "god" then "he" could not have created insanity.

This is a very GOOD ARGUMENT...and it is completely true. But a more logically reliable and consistent way to put it is to say:

since God is still creating the world, God has, and never had, no 'INTENTION' of creating insanity, and even if there is currently one, there is no proof that GOD intends to leave it permanently in us.

According to christians, we were all created with free will and that is the reason that there is violence and suffering in the world. However, insane people do not necessarily have free will. The reasoning behind this "free will" is flawed as some people do not have it all of the time. Why would "god" "create" insanity?

The problem with free will is that you cannot install it in things that are structurally and functionally defective by their original designs. Worst still, attempt to install things with free will in chaotic places such as our present universe. In Chaotic Places, you have INTENDED CAUSAL PATHWAYS mixed with ALTERNATIVE (UNINTENDED) CAUSAL PATHWAYS, and since the will is free to choose, what would stop it from choosing one or the other, or even a combination of both? Nothing. So, a logically sound argument is to say:

Since God created the world and is still doing so with the full 'INTENTION' of bringing it to a PERFECT CONCLUSION, God had no 'INTENTION' of installing wanted and unwanted causal pathways in one chaotic place and install a free-willing being within. Man shall one day always ply God's Intended causal pathway and choose what is always good, without any cause for deviating into God's unwanted alternative causal pathways.

 

[Loren Booda]

Insanity has often been a way toward God. Look at all those who would claim to be God Himself.

 

[Philocrat]

Insanity has often been a way toward God. Look at all those who would claim to be God Himself.

Well, Transitional Logic or the Logic of Potentiality tends to accommodate this, but this is represented in a more consistent way as follows:

Man is potentially God

and does not say:

Man is God.

The former may be conceptually and actually true, but no one in actuality can claim the latter.

 

[physicskid]

This seems like a good argument against the existence of god anyway.

Insane man has no control over his actions, therefore he is a 'Free man'! He has no restrictions over his thinking. I suppose that's why plenty of genius aren't really normal.

>Insanity could also be caused by biological defects, besides social influences.

 

[Amir]

the answer is deeper then the ocean ...

some people do not have it all of the time. Why would "god" "create" insanity?

Hey I just talked with GOD and “HE” said! I did not create insanity, rather insanity created me!

 

[wuliheron]

Insanity is not recognized by the American Psychiatric Association, only by the legal courts, and their definition concerns whether people are aware of what is right and wrong. The broader dictionary definition indicates that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. This means that scratching an itch that won't go away can be considered insane behavior.

Demonstrably, God did not create insane people, society created the concept of insanity.

 

[Amir]

Easiest solution to every problem, denial! LoL! So now madness doesn’t exist? Wow what a concept. So many Gods so little time, pick the right one or go to hell? where does it stop?

 

[wuliheron]

Easiest solution to every problem, denial! LoL! So now madness doesn’t exist? Wow what a concept. So many Gods so little time, pick the right one or go to hell? where does it stop?

Millennia ago people thought the insane were either blessed by the Gods or cursed by the devil. Then came the idea they were somehow evil in and of themselves. Last but not least they were viewed as having a medical problem. Today, all of these paradymes can be found to various degrees.

Within the next fifty years psychologists believe they will have cures for the vast majority of mental illnesses. A more complete understanding of how the brain and mind relate to behavior and environment is central to resolving the issue. I'd give it at least another century.

Then at least a few millennia before the knowledge is integrated into society.

 

[Amir]

Exactly, we are the “product” of our “complex environment”, I sometimes wonder why does religious text not mention space travel……..

 

[Loren Booda]

How can one convince another that their reality, their spirit, is "sick"? Half of all seriously mentally ill supposedly suffer from "anosognosia," or lack of insight into their "disease." Could this rather be for some a defense of their faith?

 

[wuliheron]

Exactly, we are the “product” of our “complex environment”, I sometimes wonder why does religious text not mention space travel……..

Words and concepts only have demonstrable meaning according to their function in a given context. Again, what it means to be human cannot be reduced to one particular context such as chemistry or systems analysis. Each has it's own validity according to specific contexts, but is utterly meaningless in others.