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Did hitler personally kill anyone?

  1. Nov 26, 2005 #1
    As far as I'm aware the thing Hitler personally and directly killed was his dogs whom he poisoned. Everyone else was killed by his Waffen SS or soldiers. Does anyone know any time he actually directly murdered anyone?
     
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  3. Nov 26, 2005 #2

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    I'm not sure, but I tend to doubt that he did. Guys like him don't need to do the messy work for themselves.
     
  4. Nov 26, 2005 #3

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    Does anyone know if he killed anybody as a soldier in WWI?
     
  5. Nov 26, 2005 #4

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    Well, a quick look in wiki says he was a messenger so he probably didn't kill anyone in WW1
     
  6. Nov 26, 2005 #5
    but he did get a few medals in WW1 and he was wounded 3 times, so he did see action.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2005 #6

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    Says he took some rather dangerous missions...
     
  8. Nov 26, 2005 #7
    did he kill anyone on those missions?
     
  9. Nov 27, 2005 #8
    Is there any good character about Hitler.
    I'm really impressed by his ability to inspire so many people to kill Jews.
    His mustach(wot's the correct spelling) and haircut is really cool!!!!!
     
  10. Nov 27, 2005 #9

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    I just can't understand this attitude, that you can abstract "cool" elements for current use from the image of one of the most horrible persons in history. Similarly you see images of Che and Mao used for purely decorative purposes. What message does this send to future generations?
     
  11. Nov 27, 2005 #10

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    Might as well throw in the swastika for that matter. Maybe .1% of the kids who wear things like that even know of its pre-Nazi meaning... which leaves the rest of these idiots walking around with a symbol of one of the worst displays of genocide in modern times. I also have a problem with its use for political protests. I've heard quite a few WW2 over the years say its use in the US for political protests are disrespectful to outright disgusting. They say nothing in the United State's recent history, no act of congress, ideological group, politician, etc etc could even come close to what the Nazi's did. I am still rather amazed such a movement and its actions could have ever existed in such recent times but I'm even more .. well disgusted at how kids these days seem so far removed from what actually happened that they'll use such symbols for whatever purpose without a second though.
     
  12. Dec 1, 2005 #11
    There's no record or report of him ever having killed anyone with his own two hands.

    I'm curious as to why you ask, though. Given the 50,000,000 people who died in WWII, what particular difference would it make if he'd personally killed any of them?
     
  13. Dec 5, 2005 #12
    WWI.In his autobiography he said that he was in combat but he just made that up he was just a courier during WWI.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2005 #13
    His position as courier involved getting messages around during firefights and shelling. He "saw" plenty of combat, was wasn't participating in it himself.
     
  15. Dec 6, 2005 #14

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    "Courier" carries a connotation of something along the lines of "the singing telegram" in Clue; he was a "runner" at the "small unit" level, keeping OPs, LPs, Co. HQ, bunkers, and the like in communication with one another. Bottom line? He worked in "trench knife" country, and survived the war. Did he have to fight his way out of ambushes, trench raids, or any of the other "no man's land" and near "no man's land" festivities of the time? Unknown. He did pick up an Iron Cross, and that ain't too shabby for the enlisted ranks in that army in that war; suggests he may have had to do a little more than deliver Xmas cards.

    "Murder?" Depending upon sources, there are questions surrounding Rohm's death and the death of one of his early girlfriends.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2005 #15
    You're saying someone thinks he executed Rohm himself?
     
  17. Dec 6, 2005 #16

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    That's an inference drawn from accounts of the event --- and you just had to ask me whose inference (not percolating to the conscious level at the moment) --- based upon a lot of second-hand and circumstantial "testimony:" Hitler supposedly was carrying a drawn pistol when storming Rohm's residence; his orderly borrowed cleaning equipment following the event; and an unscheduled change of clothing. Strikes me the source is on the "suspicious" shelf alongside The Mind of Adolf Hitler, the OSS commissioned psychological profile.
     
  18. Dec 6, 2005 #17
    To my knowledge he never killed anybod and looking at him from a psychoanalytical historical point of view, and reading the studies I have, i believe it is outside of his character.

    Rohm and Hitler were close - rohm had been with him since the beginning and was killed solely as a method of pacifing the army and conservatives. Rohm was killed by the SS and Army on the Knight of the Long Knives.

    Oh actually hitler killed his family
     
  19. Dec 6, 2005 #18
    Under the circumstances I suppose there is some remote possibility he shot Rohm himself, althought it's out of character for him. But there was at least one other time he almost shot someone when he happened to have a pistol and was in a frenzy: himself. It was the wife of Ernst Hanfstaengle who physically stopped him. She had been trained in Judo.
     
  20. Dec 6, 2005 #19

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    Up front: I ain't defending the guy; nor am I being contrary just for the sake of being contrary.

    It's difficult to establish just what his "character" was, and just what he was and was not capable of doing. The OSS character profile to which I alluded earlier has been incorporated explicitly or implicitly into every study I've seen about the man.

    There's a real psychological block to ackowledging the fact that he was human, and that his thoughts, words, and deeds are things of which we're all capable. He was a monster, certainly, but he was not an anomaly.
     
  21. Dec 6, 2005 #20
    No, I understand that.
    I've read parts of it quoted. To the extent they diagnose him as essentially paranoid I have to agree with it. "Paranoid Schizophrenic" is probably wrong because it neglects that obvious (today) extreme mania. Today he'd probably be called "Schizoaffective". I think if they were able to give him the whole battery of neurological tests, though, they'd find all kinds of deficits. Toward the end there, one of his arms was trembling uncontrolably, and he couldn't walk without dragging a foot.
    I used to assume that; that under the wrong circumstances anyone might end up as a Hitler, but I don't think so anymore. Some people, because of unrecognized neurological problems coupled with psychological abuse and or neglect, end up much more prone to that than most. They're unstable to begin with, so really bad experiences twist them more grotesquely than other people. There may be a large number of incipient Hitlers, I don't know, but that large number is actually a tiny percentage of the total number of people.
     
  22. Dec 6, 2005 #21

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    Was pretty sure you did --- just didn't feel like dealing with misunderstandings from elsewhere.
    Paranoid? Yeah --- on the other hand, there are very few people on the planet who can afford not to be --- it's a survival trait. Plus, the old question whether he's paranoid if people really are out to get him. Propaganda purposes demanded a personality assessment that could be lampooned.
    Recall, he was under the care/tutelage of a real quack for his physical health (arsenic for the digestive disorders), and probably not fully recovered from the bomb injuries.
    You went from "benefit of a doubt" to "special case," and I went from "anomalous monster" to "benefit of a doubt." Maybe some one somewhere will trip over new material that sheds some light --- not gonna hold my breath --- we're probably stuck with the hash, rehash, rerehash, ... renhash of the same old stuff.
     
  23. Dec 7, 2005 #22
    Paranoia is very different than being circumspect and cautious for survival reasons. He pretty much set himself up such that he insured there'd be huge numbers of people out to get him. At the end of WWI no one knew who he was or cared. He spent years calling attention to himself in the worst way. Cautious people who want to survive don't do that. They keep a low profile.

    Anyway, I'm not aware that that personality assessment was ever made public while he was alive, and, did anything in it really make it into any anti-Hitler propaganda? I had the impression that study was undertaken just to assess what they were up against, strengths and weaknesses.

    Those symptoms I mentioned might well have their roots in the things you cited.
    However, there were peculiar neurological things going on well before that. There are two films I've seen of him in the throes of this very strange, exited, rocking from side to side. One was during a speech. The other, he was sitting alone in some bleachers in a stadium by himself, rocking left-right left-right, very fast. (I think that was some footage taken before a rehearsal for some speech or other.) At Berchesgarten he used to go out alone onto a large patio and pace back and forth ranting out loud to no one for about three hours a day. Stories of him doing that go back to a report of a neighbor seeing him do it as a boy or teenager in the yard back of his house. In Mein Kampf he, himself, confessed that he blacked out when he stood up and shouted for 20 minutes from the audience at the first meeting of the NSDAP he attended. People congratulated him for his patriotism and ferver afterward but he, himself, couldn't remember a word he'd said.

    Something very weird happened to him once he got started shouting. He had to have been experiencing a gross distortion of his sense of time (I mean, who in their right mind gives 5 hour speeches?). Then there are those stories of him starting off shouting at someone and ending up writhing on the floor chewing on the carpet. One of his aids coined a secret nickname for him: "Der Teppichfresser".
    He did not start out with a sound brain. That is: I believe there was something organically wrong with it. Blacking out and hours of shouting everyday = some kind of pathology.
     
  24. Dec 7, 2005 #23

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    Very few have the rhetorical talent Hitler had. Thus, very few, if anyone, would be able to duplicate his "feats". Fortunately.
     
  25. Dec 7, 2005 #24
    Thing is, Mao and Stalin did pretty much the same thing without being the same kind of oraters. Then you have Pol pot, Idi Amin, and Saddam Hussein, among others. None of them Hitler style orators.
     
  26. Dec 7, 2005 #25
    Don't count on that. There are hundreds now. Some modern rethorical talent:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/outdoors/nature/2005/rspb_climate.shtml
    http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/index.html [Broken]
    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/comment/0,9236,1007302,00.html
    http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/oh-what-a-tangled-web [Broken]

    The recipe is identical to the interbellum between WW I and WW II:

    Step one: Use your rhetorical talent to create an enemy (choose your favorite: heathens, huns, commies, capitalists, global warming, skeptics)
    Step two: Use your rhetorical talent to agitate the masses against the threat, offering scary scenarios.
    Step three: suggest a way out under your leadership.

    No war scenario? Just wait until the impossible bills of Kyoto need to be paid.

    And we vowed that it would never happen again but if you don't (want to) learn from history, you're bound to repeat it.
     
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