Did the Germans have a chance to win World War II?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether Germany had a chance to win World War II and explores potential strategies or conditions that could have led to a different outcome. The scope includes historical analysis, turning points, and the implications of military strategies employed during the war.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the need to define what "winning" means, particularly in the context of Nazi Germany's goals for territorial expansion and resource acquisition.
  • There is mention of Operation Barbarossa and the flawed assumptions that contributed to its failure, which some argue doomed Germany to a war of attrition.
  • One participant notes that the entry of the United States into the war significantly complicated the situation for Germany by opening multiple fronts against strong adversaries.
  • Several posts express frustration with the initial thread's lack of depth and effort, suggesting that a more informed discussion could lead to better insights.
  • There are references to the roles of other Axis powers and the complexity of the war, indicating that the discussion could benefit from a broader historical context.

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Participants generally do not agree on the initial framing of the question, with some expressing dissatisfaction with the lack of effort in the thread start. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the factors that could have influenced the outcome of the war.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding the historical context and the various military strategies employed, but there are limitations in the initial posts regarding depth and specificity.

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Schoolwork type question with no effort shown -- thread has been locked
Did the Germans have a chance to win World War II?

If so, how could the Germans have won World War II? Discuss.
 
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How about you put some effort into your attempted thread start? What links have you been reading? What were the turning points in WW2? How did the air war play an important part?

Showing so little effort on such a potentially volatile subject is not good. Please do a much better job in trying to start this thread. There are valid things to discuss on this subject, but you need to do a better job starting things off, IMO.
 
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Have to define ‘win’ to begin with - the Nazi goal was to create a land empire in the East that would give it the natural resources and eventually the population to compete with the US. Could it have achieved that goal?

the place to start is Barbarossa and the faulty assumptions that gave it little chance for success. It’s failure in 1941 doomed Germany to a war of attrition it could not hope to win
 
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berkeman said:
How about you put some effort into your attempted thread start? What links have you been reading? What were the turning points in WW2? How did the air war play an important part?

Showing so little effort on such a potentially volatile subject is not good. Please do a much better job in trying to start this thread. There are valid things to discuss on this subject, but you need to do a better job starting things off, IMO.

I don't know enough about WW2 to offer much of a start.
 
fourthindiana said:
I don't know enough about WW2 to offer much of a start.
Then why ask the question? That is a poor way to start learning about WW2. You would have to learn before understanding answers to the question.

Is this a school assignment?
 
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fourthindiana said:
Did the Germans have a chance to win War War 2? If so, how could the Germans have won War War 2? Discuss.
First of all please note that there were three major Axis powers: Germany, Japan and Italy, and also a bunch of minor powers that cooperated with the Axis for different reasons. And World War 2 got pretty complicated (* see below) as the years went.

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the place to start is Barbarossa and the faulty assumptions that gave it little chance for success
...and the fact that Germany with Barbarossa (Invasion of the Soviet Union) opened up a second front on it's own in the east, with United Kingdom still being an unconquered front in the west. Or one could even stretch it to say later it became a third front, as the war in Africa later started to turn in favor of the Allies.

* Later in December 1941, Japan, Germany's ally, attacked Pearl Harbor, which made USA declare war on Japan. A couple of days later, Germany and Italy also declared war on USA, and the war had become more global.

Considering Germany, Germany now had multiple fronts against very strong enemies, including the potentially very strong USA, the already quite strong Soviet Union and Great Britain. I say "potentially very strong" when it comes to USA, because if I remember correctly, the entrance of USA in the war started a great buildup of military force, which after the war would still have an impact in world matters, along with the Soviet Union. And this is the beginning of the Cold War.
 
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"Was it over what the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?"



That was their biggest mistake.
 
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fourthindiana said:
Did the Germans have a chance to win World War II?

If so, how could the Germans have won World War II? Discuss.
fourthindiana said:
I don't know enough about WW2 to offer much of a start.

Since this is a schoolwork-type question with no effort shown by the OP, this thread has been closed.
 
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