Did we just discover the Milky Way is in middle of nowhere?

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The discussion centers around the claim that the Milky Way galaxy may be located in a region of the universe that is less dense than other areas, potentially described as being in the "middle of nowhere." Participants explore the implications of this idea, referencing concepts of cosmic homogeneity and inhomogeneity, as well as the existence of voids and the Great Attractor.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at the notion that the Milky Way is in a less dense region, questioning the implications of this claim.
  • Others argue that while the Milky Way may be in a less dense area, it does not constitute a "void" as it still has several nearby galaxies, including Andromeda and various satellite galaxies.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of voids in cosmology, with some participants noting that voids are not empty but have fewer galaxies than average.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of the Great Attractor and speculate about the future interactions of galaxies as they move towards it.
  • Visual aids and videos are shared to help illustrate the concepts being discussed, with some participants expressing personal connections to the material.
  • Questions are raised about other cosmic structures similar to the Great Attractor and the potential consequences of galaxy collisions in such regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the Milky Way is indeed in a void or simply in a less dense region. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of this positioning and the nature of cosmic voids.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the understanding of cosmic structures is highly dependent on the scale used to describe them, and there are unresolved questions about the density variations and their implications for galaxy interactions.

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Tanelorn said:
Did we really just discover the Milky Way is in middle of nowhere?
I just saw this article today and I had never heard this before.
In fact I thought it was a homogenous Universe apart from the cmbr cold spot and the dark flow area (apologies if they are the same thing)

https://www.universetoday.com/135954/largest-scales-milky-way-galaxy-middle-nowhere/
Some more detailed reading here, it explains the Homogeneous/Under-Density pretty well.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-637X/775/1/62/pdf
 
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Tanelorn said:
In fact I thought it was a homogenous Universe apart from the cmbr cold spot and the dark flow area (apologies if they are the same thing)

The universe is approximately homogeneous on its largest scales, but at smaller scales it is highly inhomogeneous.
 
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It may well be that the Milky way is in a region where galaxies are less dense than other regions, but it doesn't seem like a 'void'
The Milky way has several smaller satellite galaxies, and Andromeda is nearby on a cosmic scale, also with satellite galaxies,
then there is the local group of a dozen or so galaxies which we are bound with.
 
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rootone said:
It may well be that the Milky way is in a region where galaxies are less dense than other regions, but it doesn't seem like a 'void'
The Milky way has several smaller satellite galaxies, and Andromeda is nearby on a cosmic scale, also with satellite galaxies,
then there is the local group of a dozen or so galaxies which we are bound with.

Voids, in the context of cosmology, are large regions of space which have less density (hence, far fewer galaxies) than average. It's not about being a perfect vacuum. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(astronomy)
 
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rootone said:
The Milky way has several smaller satellite galaxies, and Andromeda is nearby on a cosmic scale, also with satellite galaxies,
then there is the local group of a dozen or so galaxies which we are bound with.

Given the length scale of the void according to the paper (about 300 Mpc), the entire "Local supercluster" of galaxies (the Virgo cluster and other clusters that orbit it, including our Local Group) is within the void. So "void" certainly doesn't mean "practically empty of galaxies". The difference in average density does not look to be all that great in absolute terms.
 
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Visual help: "HD - Cosmography Local Universe - subtitles in english, french, italian"



I've watched that video about 10 times now, never get tired of it. *I* live there! That's amazing.

The part at the end where they animate the map ("fanciful" as the narrator says, but still)
 
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TheOldFart said:
Visual help: "HD - Cosmography Local Universe - subtitles in english, french, italian"



I've watched that video about 10 times now, never get tired of it. *I* live there! That's amazing.

The part at the end where they animate the map ("fanciful" as the narrator says, but still)


It's as if the Universe were composed of living Galaxies, and Galactic Families, which 'feed' on the matter around them, traveling ro places where there is more food, and leaving the locales where the nourishment has been exhausted. What an image, and fanciful story!
 
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Thanks for the videos, they are very interesting. I can see the local void is really quite small, I missed that in the original article.
So it seems the great attractor is a very important feature. Are there other examples of this magnitude around the Universe?
What is going to happen when all these galaxies end up in that same place? A multitude of galaxy collisions presumably which probably means it is not a nice place for life to exist?
 
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1oldman, thanks and that is just 2 galaxies colliding, it seems like 1000s or more heading towards the great attractor!
 
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