Did you kiss more chicks or had chick fil a?

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The discussion revolves around the cultural implications of fast food consumption, particularly Chick-fil-A, in the context of social issues such as gay marriage. Participants explore themes of traditional values, health, and societal priorities, with a mix of humor and serious commentary.

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  • Some participants express a preference for kissing over eating at Chick-fil-A, linking it to social commentary on traditional values.
  • Others argue that the right to consume fast food, including Chick-fil-A, is a reflection of American freedoms, despite health concerns.
  • A few participants mention their personal health choices, stating they avoid fast food for health reasons, while others humorously suggest alternative food options.
  • There are critiques of the focus on gay marriage as a priority compared to other pressing social issues like poverty and violence.
  • Some participants challenge the notion of "traditional marriage," arguing that it disregards historical practices and the evolving nature of societal norms.
  • Discussions about the implications of media attention on social issues and the perceived irrationality of prioritizing certain causes over others are raised.

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Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the importance of gay marriage compared to other social issues. There are competing views on the significance of fast food consumption in relation to traditional values and health.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the historical context of marriage and societal norms, indicating a complexity in the definitions of tradition and values that may not be universally accepted.

kiss more chicks or chick fil a

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  • #31
Choronzon said:
I believe that government officials using their authority to enforce their political views on private citizens is a greater evil than that private citizen giving money to religious organizations that advocate for his own religion.

As a matter of fact, i think Cathy deserves to be merely disliked for his actions, while those elected officials who have abused their authority deserve to be imprisoned for theirs.

Did I make myself clear enough?
You're saying that Santorum and Huckabee need to be imprisoned?
 
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  • #32
Choronzon said:
I believe that government officials using their authority to enforce their political views on private citizens is a greater evil than that private citizen giving money to religious organizations that advocate for his own religion.

As a matter of fact, i think Cathy deserves to be merely disliked for his actions, while those elected officials who have abused their authority deserve to be imprisoned for theirs.

Did I make myself clear enough?

I agree. It's scary that government officials are making these kinds of statements:
Originally Posted by Thomas Menino (Mayor of Boston)
If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult.

Originally Posted by Proco Joe Moreno (Chicago Alderman)
Because of this man’s (Cathy’s) ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A’s permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward.
 
  • #33
Jimmy Snyder said:
I couldn't find anything in that article to support your statement that "There have been accusations that Chick fil a discriminates against hiring gays". The word accusation does not appear in the article and discrimination only appears once:

What did you find in the article that supports your statement?

"Kellie, a 23-year-old gay woman from Georgia who also requested her last name be withheld for fear of being outed in the press, worked at two different Chick-fil-A locations in Georgia. She loved working at the first location, she said, where nobody ever said anything homophobic or discriminatory. But at the second location, in Atlanta, "there was a lot of general homophobia." Managers would frequently make homophobic jokes, she said, and she felt that if she were to tell her colleagues she was gay, she would be fired. Eventually, she quit."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...reasons-it-isnt-what-you-think_b_1725237.html

"Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make "gay behavior" illegal, and even say gay people should be "exported" out of America..."

"The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination. That's what a leading business publication, Forbes, stated in 2007, when they also called Chick-fil-A a "cult" and reported that Chick-fil-A's founder and CEO Truett Cathy said he wanted to hire married people because they are more industrious and productive. Truett Cathy has also said he would probably fire someone who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

I suspect Chick Fil A is trying hard to stay within the letter of the law at least in public but, again, you might as well claim the KKK has equal opportunity hiring practices. Creating an environment that degrades employees, funding hate groups, and other practices are such obvious ways to practice discriminatory hiring practices no jury in the country would buy it if it were the KKK and blacks involved. I grew up as a military brat myself after the military had been desegregated and Uncle Sam made it very clear anyone spouting racist nonsense would not be promoted and could be summarily discharged.
 
  • #34
wuliheron said:
The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination.
That sounds like a stellar record for a 45-year old international fast food chain.

"Kellie, a 23-year-old gay woman from Georgia
You managed to cherry-pick one anecdote, and it wasn't even a wholly negative one! Your evidence simply doesn't support the bleak picture you are trying to paint.
 
  • #35
wuliheron said:
The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination.
Is this criterion being used against any other company that wants permits in Chicago or Boston? If not, then why this company and this company alone?

wuliheron said:
I suspect Chick Fil A is trying hard to stay within the letter of the law.
And apparently succeeding. Moreno and Menino are not even trying. I have seen nothing in your evidence other than a company president who views the world differently and speaks his mind.

What is wrong with this statement that would cause you to take away his right of free speech?

President said:
I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian ... it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.

By the way, you can't blame my googling skills for missing that one anecdote. It wasn't even about discrimination since the people who made homophobic jokes didn't know she was gay.
 
  • #36
Jimmy Snyder said:
Is this criterion being used against any other company that wants permits in Chicago or Boston? If not, then why this company and this company alone?And apparently succeeding. Moreno and Menino are not even trying. I have seen nothing in your evidence other than a company president who views the world differently and speaks his mind.

What is wrong with this statement that would cause you to take away his right of free speech?

By the way, you can't blame my googling skills for missing that one anecdote. It wasn't even about discrimination since the people who made homophobic jokes didn't know she was gay.

As far as I'm concerned the politicians were all spouting the usual empty threats when they threatened to deny Chick Fil A a license to do business. The far right has been making endless threats against gays for fifty years and the first time someone threatens them back they get all defensive. They can dish it out, but they can't take it any better than the neighborhood bully. In any case, it brought national attention to the issue which is just fine by me.

Whether you know someone is gay or not is not the issue. You don't know if someone is Jewish or not either and employees being allowed or even encouraged to tell anti-Semitic jokes at work all the time, customers being allowed to make outrageous racist comments every day of the week, etc. are all unacceptable behavior in a public place of business. For too long the far right has promoted itself as the voice of dignity and decency only to support these kinds of anti-democratic intolerant and just plain ugly behaviors. Again, like the neighborhood bully who is all too eager to dish it out, but can't take the slightest blow to their own over-inflated ego and needs to be confronted.
 
  • #37
Hurkyl said:
That sounds like a stellar record for a 45-year old international fast food chain.

You managed to cherry-pick one anecdote, and it wasn't even a wholly negative one! Your evidence simply doesn't support the bleak picture you are trying to paint.

The evidence does paint a bleak picture. How would you like it if you worked in public place of business where the management allowed customers and employees to routinely mock and denigrate your religious beliefs, race, or whatever. Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to say just anything you want including such restrictions as those against yelling fire in a crowded theater, harassing people at work, or inciting riots. If they were construction or dock workers or whatever I could understand, but not a public place of business that serves thousands of people a day. A consistent pattern of such behavior implies a real desire to discriminate against hiring such people.
 
  • #38
wuliheron said:
The far right has been making endless threats against gays for fifty years and the first time someone threatens them back they get all defensive.
Wrong when they do it, OK when we do it? Do you have a link for a public official threatening to deny a permit based on a disagreement with what was said by one of the employees? What, if anything at all, is wrong with the following statement?

President said:
I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian ... it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.

Nothing that I can tell, but perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
  • #40
wuliheron said:
Whether you know someone is gay or not is not the issue. You don't know if someone is Jewish or not either...
Problem is, you said discrimination and you can't discriminate against someone if you don't know "what" they are. What you are describing is sexual harassment.

And while sexual harassment is technically illegal in workplaces, in the low-end of society it is a virtually continuous occurrence. One example of one person feeling uncomfortable hearing gay jokes is absurdly banal.
 
  • #41
Jimmy Snyder said:
Wrong when they do it, OK when we do it? Do you have a link for a public official threatening to deny a permit based on a disagreement with what was said by one of the employees? What, if anything at all, is wrong with the following statement?

Nothing that I can tell, but perhaps you can enlighten me.

You must be joking. Just last year the governor of Texas threatened to secede from the union. In Italy they elected a XXX porn star to national office repeatedly just to mock the system and in many countries the legislators routinely have mock wrestling matches on the floor just to prove to their constituents they are fighting for them. Americans are no different and politicians would not continue the practice if it wasn't obviously effective. The idea that this may be too far and over the line is naive to say the least.

You can get on your high horse and say this is too far, but that's obviously a personal issue. In the days of Anita Bryant gay bars were routinely being raided by the police and shut down. Cops would bust down the doors of even private residences and arrest people for homosexual behavior or, in my state, not having proof of separate bedding. Whether legal or not slavery was an abomination and so is denying gays equal rights under the law and supporting hate groups that promote ideas like deporting them.
 
  • #42
Can you see the difference between granstanding and deriliction of duty? If you think the politicians are just grandstanding, fine, but jimmy believes they are serious. So do I.
 
  • #43
I couldn't find any examples either.
 
  • #44
russ_watters said:
Can you see the difference between granstanding and deriliction of duty? If you think the politicians are just grandstanding, fine, but jimmy believes they are serious. So do I.

If you are expecting someone to hold your hand and tell you everything is going to be OK think again. You have every reason to be afraid because the right wing has been asking for payback for decades. The single most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until 9/11 was the radical right wing bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. Last year NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day in violation of their constitutional rights and congress seriously debated allowing the military to arbitrarily suspend habeas corpus altogether and round people up in camps like so many cattle. Be very afraid. This is the mess the American public has allowed and even encouraged.
 
  • #45
wuliheron said:
If you are expecting someone to hold your hand and tell you everything is going to be OK think again. You have every reason to be afraid because the right wing has been asking for payback for decades. The single most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until 9/11 was the radical right wing bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. Last year NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day in violation of their constitutional rights and congress seriously debated allowing the military to arbitrarily suspend habeas corpus altogether and round people up in camps like so many cattle. Be very afraid. This is the mess the American public has allowed and even encouraged.
Yes, our rights are being eroded. And your solution to this problem is to deny Chick-fil-A their free speech rights. How will that help?

I have selected 9 posts that are not part of this thread. Quote these posts as well, or deselect these posts.
 
  • #46
wuliheron said:
If you are expecting someone to hold your hand and tell you everything is going to be OK think again. You have every reason to be afraid because the right wing has been asking for payback for decades. The single most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until 9/11 was the radical right wing bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. Last year NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day in violation of their constitutional rights and congress seriously debated allowing the military to arbitrarily suspend habeas corpus altogether and round people up in camps like so many cattle. Be very afraid. This is the mess the American public has allowed and even encouraged.
Setting aside the conspiracy theory tone and inaccurate characterizations, I agree that those things are wrong. That's all just an OT rant, though, unless you mean to imply it should be OK for the Left to even the score.
 
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  • #47
Jimmy Snyder said:
Yes, our rights are being eroded. And your solution to this problem is to deny Chick-fil-A their free speech rights. How will that help?

I don't understand this double standard people in this country seem to have (I'm not saying you have it because I know you don't and when you say free speech you do mean it generally) where they use free speech as an excuse to attack gay rights or the act of being a homosexual and then get absolutely smitten and angry when someone makes a racist comment about blacks or asians or what have you. It is extremely infuriating and I see it on various public forums (most notably facebook). Why is it absolutely wrong and disgusting in the eyes of the media or the general public when someone says the aforementioned racial groups shouldn't have the rights they deserve but its ok to say it about gays?!
 
  • #48
Jimmy Snyder said:
Yes, our rights are being eroded. And your solution to this problem is to deny Chick-fil-A their free speech rights. How will that help?

I have selected 9 posts that are not part of this thread. Quote these posts as well, or deselect these posts.

What on Earth does "deselect" mean and what on Earth are you talking about?
 
  • #49
russ_watters said:
Setting aside the conspiracy theory tone and inaccurate characterizations, I agree that those things are wrong. That's all just an OT rant, though, unless you mean to imply it should be OK for the Left to even the score.

I'm saying when the foundations of democracy such as tolerance, equal rights, and freedom of the press are ignored it's anything goes. That's not a personal morality, but a simple fact of life.
 
  • #50
wuliheron said:
What on Earth does "deselect" mean and what on Earth are you talking about?
I wish I knew. I was hoping you or someone else might tell me the meaning of these words. If you reply to this post, you will see them just below the text input box.