Difference between Democrat and Republican?

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Zero
Jonathan, you seem to have such a huge beef with anything similar to socialism...you must really hate that Jesus guy, right?
 
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I have a huge beef with socialism yes, but not Jesus. You see, socialism only works with continous intervention by God. As I am sure that there is no one alive now that is Jesus, and the millenial reign has not yet started, then all attemps at socialism will fail. I do concede that in theory they sound great, but until God continually intervenes, or changes the laws of physics, it will not work in this world.
Why do you alway mention Jesus was a liberal? According to the classical definition, so was Satan, Hitler, Martin L. King Jr., Stalin, Marx, Gandhi, or anyone else who attempted to change the status quo. (Notice that the Nazi party was the National Socialist party of Germany. BTW, I guess nazi is an acronym or abbreviation for the German equivalent of 'national socialist').
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
I have a huge beef with socialism yes, but not Jesus. You see, socialism only works with continous intervention by God. As I am sure that there is no one alive now that is Jesus, and the millenial reign has not yet started, then all attemps at socialism will fail. I do concede that in theory they sound great, but until God continually intervenes, or changes the laws of physics, it will not work in this world.
Why do you alway mention Jesus was a liberal? According to the classical definition, so was Satan, Hitler, Martin L. King Jr., Stalin, Marx, Gandhi, or anyone else who attempted to change the status quo. (Notice that the Nazi party was the National Socialist party of Germany. BTW, I guess nazi is an acronym or abbreviation for the German equivalent of 'national socialist').
You are a GOOF, man!! By the 'classic' definition, Hitler and Stalin we dictators. Liberalism is about freedom and caring about the general welfare of your fellow human beings.

Oh, and basing your political beliefs of a minority interpretation of a specific mythology carries little weight with me, in case you missed the meno I sent out.
 
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Well, I didn't understand the second part, but as to the first, my American Gov't textbook says:
Liberal:
sp.: One considered to favor extensive gov't involvement in the economy and the provision of social services and to take an activist role in protecting the rights of women, the elderly, minorities, and the environment.
gen.:One who seeks to change the...status quo...(I paraphrase, I'm tried of typing so much).
Notice that the first part of the specific definition is almost exactly the same as the definition of socialist.
Hitler and Stalin were merely tring to change the status quo. :smile:
 
  • #30
Zero
First off, your book is somewhat...extreme? Then again, capitalism only works with government control. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with the government taking a role in protecting the rights of the less powerful, that is the traditional role of American government.
 
  • #31
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Originally posted by Jonathan
Well, I didn't understand the second part*snip* :smile:

Did you mean:

Oh, and basing your political beliefs of a minority interpretation of a specific mythology carries little weight with me, in case you missed the meno I sent out.
I meant 'memo', not 'meno'...otherwise, it makes perfect sense. Basing your views on some 2000 year old mythology means as much to me as basing your vies on Spongebob Squarepants.
 
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Oh, it was just the wording that was messing me up, you are refering to my religion. Well, I must say, I'd expect some more tack from you, but no, if there were any evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't believe. But this is beside the point and I will not argue it further. My beliefs on socialism are my own and I will not force them on you, I merely expressed them. However, this extreme book is:
American Government: Continuity and Change, 2004 Edition, By Karen O'Connor and Larry J. Sabato
No, I don't know how it is possible for it to be the 2004 edition, that's just what it says. Note that I say 'almost exactly', the wording is different in the definitions, I will quote the definitions:
Liberal:
One considered to favor extensive gov't involvement in the economy and the provision of social services...
Socialist:
One who advocates an economic system of collective ownership and control of the means of production. (This by default requires lots of gov't involvement.)
And for the heck of it:
Communist:
One who advocates an economic system of ownership by the workers of the means of production and the distribution of reasources. (This too.)
As far as I can tell, the two are merely cousins, and there will be by definition a marked tendency towards them by liberals. Of course this is not always true, because by the standards of fifty years ago I'm a liberal (I'm antiprejudice, proequality of opportunity; these were liberal fifty years ago because of the rampant racism).
 
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"The difference between democrats and republicans is simple. Democrats have no ideas, and republicans have bad ideas."
-Lewis Black
 
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LOL, and I do hope you're kidding.
But anyways, the topic changed, I'm not sure to what, a few posts back. Oh yes, Zeropaxx wanted input on his ideas (which are quite socialist if you go back and read them), like what is good/bad about them, and how they'd be implemented. So let's get back on topic!
 
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Originally posted by Zeropaxx
I have spend day and night thinking aobut how to fix this world that we live in for the better part of four months. I could use some input. more heads are better then my out dated piece of wet wear. Any suggestions?

I'm looking to:
1. Make it cheaper to live in america.
2. Have free health care.
3. Make drinking, fatty fast food, and cigarettes made illegal in the united States.
4. everyone gets a job.
5. The best Education for free for everyone.

How do we achieve this I ask you.

Oh yes I do realize that by my calculations we won't need to save the US, but it gives me something to do, when I can't sleep at night.

Well making drinking, fast food and smoking illegal would take alot of politicians who aren't supported by those industries and aren't afraid to take chances.

Everyone getting a job would require new industries

1,2 and 5 can really only be accopmlished through something like imperialism or slave labor.

You need to look at your goals more reasonably. For a society to function, you need a government, cause people are scumbags. For a government to work, they need money to spend on things, such as healthcare and education for everyone, and for the govt to have money, they need to tax their citizens.
 
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That is the most cynical and correct I've ever heard anyone be at the same time.
 
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Clinton vetoed the 1994 bill from Newt's Congress designed to lift the legal requirements for corporations to make honest statements to their shareholders. He said he vetoed it because 'Our citizens should have legal recourse in our courts.' The veto was overrided by a 2/3 majority, and the result is the recent corporate debacles such as Enron.
Requiring companies to be honest with stockholders is not excessive regulation in any context that I can think of. It's almost like, the Democrats want to protect the public.


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  • #38
Zeropaxx
another two cents

Ok, Yes I agree that things might get worse, but if we continue to be the america that we are we open our selves up to countless things, such as being taken over, being destroyed, etc. We make our people healther then we are as a nation strong, and tough. We Give free knowledge to the masses and we make our natian better equipt to deal with the problems we now face such as Aids, world hunger, over population, and poverty. Bottom line Things much Change.
 
  • #39
Zeropaxx
Ok how about we do away with money as well. I once heard that money is the root of all evil and I believe it. Destroy money. Develop and design a new form of civilization, a new form of government.
 
  • #40
Zero
Originally posted by schwarzchildradius
Clinton vetoed the 1994 bill from Newt's Congress designed to lift the legal requirements for corporations to make honest statements to their shareholders. He said he vetoed it because 'Our citizens should have legal recourse in our courts.' The veto was overrided by a 2/3 majority, and the result is the recent corporate debacles such as Enron.
Requiring companies to be honest with stockholders is not excessive regulation in any context that I can think of. It's almost like, the Democrats want to protect the public.


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This resembles the way Republicans have lifted the restrictions of hazardous waste dumping...why is it illegal for me to dump my trash in your yard, but no big deal if a corporation dumps arsenic in your drinking water?
 
  • #41
Zeropaxx
zero I agree with that. But what else did the bill have in it for the president to veto. For some reason I smell a lot of pork. If you know what I mean.

I Asked the question "What is the difference between republicans and democrats?" To find out where my political view fit. I find that I am neither of these. I would rather see 10,000 people fead, then spend 20 million dollors on a bunch of Nuclear weapons that we do not intend to use.

I have the Faith of a Mustard seed you see in the human race. Even if the ones in power think only for their pockets and bellys, I believe that one day some how someone will be in power that will change that.

I heard Hillary Clinton say that we are stretched thin when it comes to the milatary man power. If we weren't makeing all our men women and children fat lazy and stupid then there would be more man power.
 

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