Difference between russel-saunders-coupling and spin-orbit-coupling

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The discussion centers on the differences between Russell-Saunders coupling and spin-orbit coupling, exploring their definitions, implications, and contexts in which they apply. Participants examine the relationship between these coupling phenomena, particularly in relation to the number of electrons involved and the conditions under which each applies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that spin-orbit coupling involves the interaction between the spin and orbital momentum of a single electron, while Russell-Saunders coupling involves many electrons' spins and orbital momenta.
  • Another participant explains that Russell-Saunders coupling is a form of spin-orbit coupling that occurs when the spin-orbit interaction is small, particularly in light atoms where relativistic effects are negligible.
  • A participant questions the clarity of the distinction made between "small" spin-orbit coupling and Russell-Saunders coupling, seeking further explanation on whether they refer to different types of interactions.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical representation of total angular momentum, with one participant attempting to clarify the relationship between individual and collective angular momentum in the context of these couplings.
  • Another participant provides a link to additional resources for further understanding of Russell-Saunders and jj coupling, indicating that there may be more complexity to the topic than initially presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the distinctions between the two types of coupling, indicating that there is no consensus on the definitions or implications of "small" spin-orbit coupling versus Russell-Saunders coupling.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the definitions and conditions under which each coupling applies, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical representations of angular momentum in these contexts.

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Hello everybody,

Im confused with the difference of the both coupling phenomena, is it just the difference in the amount of electron?
So spin-orbit-coupling is just the coupling between orbit and spin of one electron and the russel-saunders is the coupling of a spin of many electrons and the orbit momentum of many electrons?
So if we just consider 1electron the both couplings are the same?

Thank you for any help
 
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Russell-Saunders is spin-orbit coupling, where spin-orbit coupling is small (light atoms where the electrons aren't particularly relativistic). In this case, the total orbital angular momentum ##\mathbf{L}## and the total spin angular momentum ##\mathbf{S}## are both good quantum numbers (meaning their operators commute with the Hamiltonian to a good approximation). So we obtain total angular momentum ##\mathbf{J}## simply by adding total spin and total orbital angular momentum: ##\mathbf{J} = \mathbf{L} + \mathbf{S}##.

In heavier atoms, where the electrons are relativistic, the spin orbit coupling is quite large, and total spin/orbital angular momentum are no longer good quantum numbers. In this case, we have to add the spin and orbital angular momenta for each electron separately (##\mathbf{\ell}_i## and ##\mathbf{s}_i##, respectively) to get total angular momentum:
$$\mathbf{J} = \sum_i {\left(\mathbf{\ell}_i + \mathbf{s}_i\right)}$$
 
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Hello

Well that sentense:
TeethWhitener said:
Russell-Saunders is spin-orbit coupling, where spin-orbit coupling is small
That doesn't make sense for me, but obviously you talk about 2 different spin orbit coupling but i don't know what you meant with the "small" spin orbit coupling and the other which you identify with Russel saunders coupling. Can you explain that please?

Do you meant with the "small" spin orbit coupling the coupling between the electron spin and orbit momentum, therefore with the russel saunders the coupling of the collective spin and orbit momentum?

And to understand what you wrote, you mean that this is true:

$$ J_1=\sum_{i}(s_i + l_i) \neq \sum_i s_i + \sum_i l_i= J_2 $$ ??

And just quick to come back to the question if we just consider 1 electron, are they both the same, identical?
 
JanSpintronics said:
That doesn't make sense for me, but obviously you talk about 2 different spin orbit coupling but i don't know what you meant with the "small" spin orbit coupling and the other which you identify with Russel saunders coupling. Can you explain that please?
I don’t know if I can be clearer than the part you quoted. This link:
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/teach/327/lsjj.php
might be of more help. It goes through Russell-Saunders (LS) coupling and jj coupling with examples.
 
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