Different approach on calculating flux threw area

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flux through a surface defined by a hyperboloid, specifically using a vector field. The original poster presents their approach to the problem and seeks clarification on the limits of integration when converting to polar coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the flux using a specific vector field and expresses uncertainty about the upper limit for the radial coordinate in polar coordinates. Some participants question the definition of the surface and the expression used to describe it, while others suggest reconsidering the relationship between x, y, and r.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the surface description and the implications for the limits of integration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the coordinates and the radial distance, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the description of the hyperboloid and the proper expression for the surface area. Additionally, the original poster's assumption about the limits of integration is under scrutiny, with participants discussing the implications of the coordinate transformations.

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calculate
[tex] \iint_{M}^{}\vec{F}\vec{dS}[/tex]
where
[tex] \vec{F}=(e^y,ye^x,x^2y)[/tex]
M is a part of hyperboloid [tex]x^2+y^2[/tex]
which is located at 0<=x<=1 and 0<=y<=1 ,and its normal vector points outside
like this :
http://i28.tinypic.com/f9p63r.gif

i am used to solve it like this
[tex] \iint_{M}^{}\vec{F}\vec{dS}=\iint_{D}\frac{\vec{F}\cdot<br /> \vec{N}}{|\vec{N}\cdot\vec{K}|}dxdy[/tex]
[tex] \vec{N}=(2x,2y,-1)[/tex]
[tex] \iint_{M}^{}\vec{F}\vec{dS}=\iint_{D}\frac{(e^y,ye^x,x^2y) \cdot<br /> (2x,2y,-1)}{1}dxdy[/tex]
now i convert into polar coordinates

x^2+y^2=r
[tex] =\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{1}\frac{(e^y,ye^x,x^2y) \cdot (2x,2y,-1)}{1}rdrd\theta[/tex]
how to what are the intervals for r
i just guessed its from 0 to 1
i don't know how to know the upper interval here

except that
is this method ok?
 
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slonopotam said:
M is a part of hyperboloid [tex]x^2+y^2[/tex]

[itex]x^2+y^2[/itex] is just a meaningless expression and does not describe a hyperboloid. Do you mean [itex]z^2=x^2+y^2[/itex]?

now i convert into polar coordinates

x^2+y^2=r

You mean [itex]x^2+y^2=r^2[/itex], right?

how to what are the intervals for r
i just guessed its from 0 to 1
i don't know how to know the upper interval here

Well, [itex]x^2+y^2=r^2[/itex] and [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] each go from 0 to 1, so wouldn't [itex]r[/itex] go from [itex]\sqrt{0^2+0^2}=0[/itex] to [itex]\sqrt{1^2+1^2}=\sqrt{2}[/itex]?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
[itex]x^2+y^2[/itex] is just a meaningless expression and does not describe a hyperboloid. Do you mean [itex]z^2=x^2+y^2[/itex]?



You mean [itex]x^2+y^2=r^2[/itex], right?



Well, [itex]x^2+y^2=r^2[/itex] and [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] each go from 0 to 1, so wouldn't [itex]r[/itex] go from [itex]\sqrt{0^2+0^2}=0[/itex] to [itex]\sqrt{1^2+1^2}=\sqrt{2}[/itex]?

I am not sure about the square root of 2; Since at constant z you have a circle in a plane parallel to xy, x and y are related to r by the parametric equations

x = r cosφ y = r sinφ

When x = 1, y = 0. Am I missing something?
 
kuruman said:
When x = 1, y = 0. Am I missing something?

Nope, my mistake...just a small brainfart
 

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