Differential and integral equation.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a set of differential and integral equations. Participants explore methods for addressing these equations, including reducing the order of the differential equation and analyzing the integral equation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to the solutions of these equations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two equations: a differential equation $x^2f''(x)-2xf'(x) = x$ and an integral equation $\int_0^{x} (1+f(x))\;{dx} = x$.
  • Another participant suggests reducing the order of the differential equation by letting $g(x) = f'(x)$, transforming it into a first-order linear equation.
  • It is noted that the differential equation is exact and does not require an integrating factor.
  • For the integral equation, a participant breaks it down into parts, concluding that $\int f(x)~dx = 0$ is a necessary step.
  • One participant proposes a general solution for the differential equation as $f(x) = \left\{a_1-\frac{1}{2}x+a_2 x^3: a_1, a_2 \in \mathbb{R} \right\}$.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that $\frac{1}{2} f^2(x) = 0$ implies $f(x) = 0$, stating that the integral of $f(x)$ does not generally equate to $\frac{1}{2} f^2(x)$.
  • They introduce a function $F(x) = \int f(x)~dx$ and discuss the implications of $F(x) - F(0) = 0$, leading to the conclusion that $f(x)$ must be constant if $F(x)$ is constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the integral equation and the conditions under which the solutions hold. No consensus is reached regarding the correct interpretation of the integral equation or the validity of the proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of $f(x)$, such as it being a polynomial, which may not hold universally. The steps taken to derive solutions are contingent on these assumptions and the specific forms of the equations presented.

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Hello! How do I solve the following integral and differential equations

1. $x^2f''(x)-2xf'(x) = x$

2. $\int_0^{x} (1+f(x))\;{dx} = x$

I'm supposed to http://mathhelpboards.com/linear-abstract-algebra-14/linear-subspaces-17957.html all the polynomials that satisfy this, but I can't. (Shake)
 
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Guest said:
Hello! How do I solve the following integral and differential equations

1. $x^2f''(x)-2xf'(x) = x$

2. $\int_0^{x} (1+f(x))\;{dx} = x$

I'm supposed to http://mathhelpboards.com/linear-abstract-algebra-14/linear-subspaces-17957.html all the functions that satisfy this, but I can't. (Shake)
1. Reduce the order: Let g(x) = f'(x), so your equation becomes [math]x^2 g'(x) - 2x g(x) = x[/math]. This is first order linear and you can solve it by method of choice. This equation is exact so no need for an integrating factor.

2. [math]\int_0^x (1 + f(x))~dx = \int_0^x (1)~dx + \int_0^x f(x)~dx = x[/math], so [math]\int f(x)~dx = 0[/math] and go from there.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
1. Reduce the order: Let g(x) = f'(x), so your equation becomes [math]x^2 g'(x) - 2x g(x) = x[/math]. This is first order linear and you can solve it by method of choice. This equation is exact so no need for an integrating factor.

2. [math]\int_0^x (1 + f(x))~dx = \int_0^x (1)~dx + \int_0^x f(x)~dx = x[/math], so [math]\int f(x)~dx = 0[/math] and go from there.

-Dan

1. $f(x) = \left\{a_1-\frac{1}{2}x+a_2 x^3: a_1, a_2 \in \mathbb{R} \right\}$

2. $\frac{1}{2} f^2(x) = 0 \implies f(x) = 0.$

Many thanks.
 
Guest said:
2. $\frac{1}{2} f^2(x) = 0 \implies f(x) = 0.$
[math]\int_0^x f(x)~dx \neq \frac{1}{2} f^2(x)[/math] in general.

If the anti-derivative of f(x) exists (and it will if f(x) is a polynomial as you have stated) then define [math]F(x) = \int f(x)~dx[/math]

Then [math]\int_0^x f(x)~dx = F(x) - F(0)[/math]. So now you need to solve F(x) - F(0) = 0 where F(x) is a polynomial.

Doing this the "long" way we can do the following:
F(x) - F(0) = 0

F(x) = 0 + F(0) = F(0) = constant = k

This means you have F(x) = k and [math]F'(x) = f(x) = \frac{d}{dx}(k) = 0[/math].

-Dan
 

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