Differential eq of first order and higher degree

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The discussion revolves around finding the general and singular solutions of the first-order differential equation given by 3xy=2px²-2p², where p represents dy/dx. Participants explore various methods and interpretations related to the equation.

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  • One participant inquires about the meaning of p², questioning whether it denotes (dy/dx)² or d²y/dx².
  • Another participant confirms that p² means (dy/dx)².
  • A participant suggests solving for the derivative algebraically, providing a step-by-step approach to rearranging the equation and deriving two potential expressions for dy/dx.
  • One participant notes that the resulting differential equations appear complex and speculates that they might be homogeneous, later retracting that thought.
  • A participant shares output from Mathematica, presenting two solutions and suggesting that y=0 might be a singular solution based on the context of the other solutions.
  • Another participant recommends dividing the original equation by x and differentiating, proposing that this method could lead to simpler integrable factors.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of p² and the complexity of the derived equations. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the differential equation, with multiple methods and interpretations being discussed.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the solutions and the properties of the differential equation, which remain unresolved. The complexity of the derived equations and the potential for singular solutions are noted but not fully explored.

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How to proceed to find the general and singular solution of the equation
3xy=2px2-2p2, p=dy/dx
 
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Question: does $p^{2}$ mean $\displaystyle \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)^{ \! 2}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}$?
 
Ackbach said:
Question: does $p^{2}$ mean $\displaystyle \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)^{ \! 2}$ or $\displaystyle \frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}$?

P^2=(dy/dx)^2
 
suvadip said:
P^2=(dy/dx)^2

So, in that case, one thing you can try is simply solve for the derivative algebraically first:
\begin{align*}
3xy&=2x^{2} \frac{dy}{dx}-2 \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)^{ \! 2} \\
0&=2 \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)^{ \! 2}-2x^{2} \frac{dy}{dx}+3xy \\
\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{2x^{2} \pm \sqrt{4x^{4}-4(8)(3xy)}}{4} \\
&= \frac{x^{2} \pm \sqrt{x^{4}-24xy}}{2}.
\end{align*}
Unfortunately, either of the resulting DE's,
$$ \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{x^{2} + \sqrt{x^{4}-24xy}}{2}$$
or
$$ \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{x^{2} - \sqrt{x^{4}-24xy}}{2}$$
seem rather forbidding. They might be homogeneous, though. Try that.

[EDIT] Never mind about the homogeneous bit. Neither resulting DE is homogeneous.
 
Mathematica yields $$\{ \{ {{y(x)}\rightarrow
{\frac{-\left( e^{\frac{3\,C(1)}{2}}\,
\left( 3\,e^{\frac{3\,C(1)}{2}} -
{\sqrt{6}}\,x^{\frac{3}{2}} \right) \right) }{3}}}\} ,
\{ {{y(x)}\rightarrow
{\frac{-\left( e^{\frac{3\,C(1)}{2}}\,
\left( 3\,e^{\frac{3\,C(1)}{2}} +
{\sqrt{6}}\,x^{\frac{3}{2}} \right) \right) }{3}}}\} \}.$$

Also, by inspection, you can see that $y=0$ solves the DE. From the looks of the solutions above, this might be a singular solution.
 
Divide your equation by $x$ and then differentiate. You should find that the new equation factors into two pieces that integrate easily. With these, go back to the original equation and check that they both work (and adjust constants accordingly).
 
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