Differential Equation and Slope Field Questions.

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The discussion revolves around understanding differential equations and slope fields, particularly the relationship between the derivative notation and the function of two variables, as presented in a textbook excerpt. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the notation and the implications of a derivative being a function of both x and y.

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile conventional derivative notation with the requirement that the derivative is a function of both x and y. They question how to differentiate a function of two variables simultaneously and express uncertainty about evaluating the integral of the right-hand side of the equation.

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Participants are exploring the complexities of slope fields and their significance in understanding differential equations. Some have suggested using software tools for visualization, while others are seeking more detailed explanations to clarify their confusion. There is an ongoing dialogue about the importance of slope fields in analyzing differential equations.

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Participants note the challenges of integrating functions of two variables and the potential need for additional resources or textbooks to aid understanding. There is mention of specific textbooks and software that may provide further insights into the topic.

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Hey,

1. Homework Statement .
I was reading through the Differential Equation portion of my textbook and didn't quite understand the following paragraph.
From Textbook said:
Slope Fields
Solving a differential equation analytically can be difficult or even impossible.
However, there is a graphical approach you can use to learn a lot about the solution of a differential equation. Consider a differential equation of the form
<br /> {{y}^{\prime}} = {{F}{(x, y)}}<br />
At each point {(x, y)} in the {xy}-plane where {F} is defined, the differential equation determines the slope {{y}^{\prime}} = {{F}{(x, y)}} of the solution at that point. If you draw a short line segment with slope {{F}{(x, y)}} at selected points {(x, y)} in the domain of {F}, then these line segments form a slope field or a direction field for the differential equation
{{y}^{\prime}} = {{F}{(x, y)}}
Each line segment has the same slope as the solution curve through that point. A slope field shows the general shape of all the solutions.
The above paragraph seemed a little confusing since, conventionally,
<br /> {y} = {f(x)}<br />

Where,
<br /> {{\frac {{d}^{}}{d{x}^{}}}{\Big[y\Big]}} = {{{f}^{\prime}}{(x)}}<br />

so that it is understood that {{{f}^{\prime}}{(x)}} like {f(x)} is a function of only {x}. However, in the above paragraph it is insisted that {{\frac {{d}^{}}{d{x}^{}}}{\Big[y\Big]}} must be a function of {x} and {y}. In other words {{y}^{\prime}} = {{F}{(x, y)}}, why is that?

2. Homework Equations .
Knowledge Differential Equations and Slope Fields.

3. The Attempt at a Solution .
If we begin from the conventional notation that,
<br /> {z} = {f(x, y)}<br />

I run into the problem that I don't know how to explicitly find {{z}^{\prime}}. Specifically, I don't know how to differentiate {f(x, y)} with respect to {x} and {y} simultaneously. So that the derivative is actually a function of {x} and {y}, like {f(x, y)}. How would I differentiate {z} with respect to {x} and {y} simultaneously?

I note however, that in this particular case we're talking about {{y}^{\prime}} as opposed to {{z}^{\prime}}.
Noting this I recall that we can rewrite,
<br /> {\frac {dy}{dx}} = {{{f}^{\prime}}{(x)}}<br />

as
<br /> {dy} = {{{{f}^{\prime}}{(x)}}{dx}}<br />

Where {y} is found by integrating both sides of the above equation.

However, when I try to do this with the equation given,
<br /> {{y}^{\prime}} = {F(x, y)}<br />

Which can be rewritten as,
<br /> {dy} = {F(x, y)dx}<br />

and when integrated is,
<br /> {y} = {{\int_{}^{}}{F(x, y)dx}}<br />

I find that I do not know how to evaluate the RHS. How would I evaluate it?

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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Hey,

Still stuck on these questions, a little bit of help would be nice.

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
PFStudent said:
Hey,

Still stuck on these questions, a little bit of help would be nice.

Thanks,

-PFStudent

slope fields are the lamest things ever, use maple or something
 
Hey,
Altruist said:
slope fields are the lamest things ever, use maple or something
A more substantial and detailed reply would help, anyone?

Thanks,


-PFStudent
 
PFStudent said:
Hey,

A more substantial and detailed reply would help, anyone?

Thanks,


-PFStudent

Slope fields are a very important tool in analyzing, understanding and using many differential equations most notably non-linear ones: it's one thing to solve it, quite another to intutively understand what's going on. Why does my removal of one measly fish out of my grandpa's pond cause the entire fish population to collapse? You need to get Blanchard, Devaney, and Hall, "Differential Equations". Spend some time with it, six weeks, and you'll be tops telling us what to do. Mathematica has some nice tools for creating phase portraits (slope fields) and especially ver 7 has what, a really nice function I don't remember the name for generating very nice pictures of slope fields. Start with some simple ones: coupled set of two linear equations and generate the slope field, then go to more complicated ones.
 
what textbook are you using?
 

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