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The discussion revolves around the solution of a specific differential equation, particularly the equation of the form ##X'' + \beta X = 0##, under certain boundary conditions. Participants explore how the general solution relates to specific forms involving sine functions and the implications of boundary conditions on the parameters involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific form of the solution, ##X_n = a_n \sin \frac{n \pi x}{l}##, and questions how substituting ##\beta = \sigma^2 = \frac{n^2 \pi^2}{l^2}## leads to this result.
  • Another participant assumes the differential equation and boundary conditions, providing a general solution and noting that the boundary conditions force certain parameters, but does not directly address the original question.
  • Several participants reiterate the form of the general solution, indicating that the boundary conditions lead to specific values for ##\sigma##, which are then related to sine functions.
  • One participant discusses the implications of the boundary conditions on the coefficients in the general solution, suggesting that the solution can be expressed as an infinite sum of sine functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the differential equation and the boundary conditions, but there is no consensus on how the specific solution form is derived from the general solution. Multiple interpretations and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the boundary conditions and the specific transformations involved in deriving the sine function form from the general solution. There are also references to complex numbers in the context of the solutions, which may introduce additional assumptions.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying differential equations, particularly in the context of boundary value problems and their solutions in mathematical physics.

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I understand what is in the picture http://postimg.org/image/u5ib33kzb/
but the book goes on to say that the solution is thus of the form
## X_n = a_n sin \frac{n \pi x}{l} ##
How does putting ##β=σ^2=\frac{n^2π^2}{l^2}## into (6.37) result in that?
 
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I apologize in advance if I am off base on this, I cannot access your link.

I will assume that you have a differential equation that looks like:
##x'' +\beta x = 0 ##
with boundary conditions:
##x(0)=x(l) = 0##
The general solution for the differential equation is
##x = A \sin( \sqrt{\beta} t ) + B \cos(\sqrt{\beta} t) ##
And the boundary condition at ##t=0## forces B to go to zero and the boundary condition at ##t = l ## forces ##\beta ## to be the form you have above.

Please include a little more information regarding the problem if you would like more feedback.
 
RUber said:
I apologize in advance if I am off base on this, I cannot access your link.

I will assume that you have a differential equation that looks like:
##x'' +\beta x = 0 ##
with boundary conditions:
##x(0)=x(l) = 0##
The general solution for the differential equation is
##x = A \sin( \sqrt{\beta} t ) + B \cos(\sqrt{\beta} t) ## (6.36)
And the boundary condition at ##t=0## forces B to go to zero and the boundary condition at ##t = l ## forces ##\beta ## to be the form you have above.

Please include a little more information regarding the problem if you would like more feedback.

thats right, the differential equation is (X is X(x), a function of x) :

##X'' + \beta X = 0##

Assuming a general solution of ##X(x) = A e^{ -\sqrt{-\beta}x} + B e^{+\sqrt{-\beta} x} ##, that ##\sqrt{-\beta}## is complex (ie. ##\beta =σ^2##) , and that the boundary conditions are ##X(0)=0## and ##X(l)=0##, they found that ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}##
What I want to know is how putting ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}## into the general solution results in ##X_n=a_n\sin\frac{n\pi x}{l}##
Or how their general solution is equivalent to yours?
 
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theone said:
thats right, the differential equation is (X is X(x), a function of x) :

##X'' + \beta X = 0##

Assuming a general solution of ##X(x) = A e^{ -\sqrt{-\beta}x} + B e^{+\sqrt{-\beta} x} ##, that ##\sqrt{-\beta}## is complex (ie. ##\beta =σ^2##) , and that the boundary conditions are ##X(0)=0## and ##X(l)=0##, they found that ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}##
What I want to know is how putting ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}## into the general solution results in ##X_n=a_n\sin\frac{n\pi x}{l}##
Or how their general solution is equivalent to yours?
Applying your first boundary condition tells you that A = -B, giving ## X(x) = A\left(e^{-i\sigma x}- e^{i\sigma x}\right)##
Noting what pasmith wrote above, this is equivalent to ## C \sin (\sigma x )##.
Then, since any sigma of the form given can be a solution, your full solution might be an infinite sum:
##X(x) =\sum_{n=1}^\infty X_n(x) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n \sin(\sigma_n x ) ##
 

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