Differential equation reducible to Bessel's Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for reducing various differential equations to Bessel's equation and finding general solutions. Participants explore different transformations and substitutions to facilitate this process, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects of the equations presented.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to reduce the equation x^2y" + xy' + (4x^4 - 1/4)y = 0 to Bessel's equation using the substitution x^2 = z.
  • Another participant suggests using the chain rule to convert derivatives when applying the substitution, providing a detailed breakdown of the transformation process.
  • A different participant presents another equation, 4x^2y'' - 20xy' + (4x^2 + 35)y = 0, and inquires about using the transformation y = (x^3)u to reduce it to Bessel's equation.
  • Responses clarify that if y = x^3u, then derivatives of y can be expressed in terms of u and its derivatives, leading to a new differential equation for u.
  • There is a discussion about whether u should be considered a function of x, with one participant expressing confusion about the necessity of introducing a third variable.
  • Another participant confirms that u is indeed a function of x, acknowledging the importance of this distinction in the context of the problem.
  • One participant reports successfully reducing their ordinary differential equation (ODE) to Bessel's equation after following the suggestions provided.
  • Another participant seeks assistance with the equation xy'' - y' + y = 0, asking for guidance on expressing it in terms of Bessel functions.
  • A suggestion is made to use the substitution X = 2√x and Y = y/x to approach the solution for the latter equation.
  • A participant presents yet another equation, x^2*y'' + 2x*y' + x^2*y = 0, seeking help with it as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of substitution and transformation to reduce equations to Bessel's form, but there are varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the role of the function u and its dependence on x. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of a unified approach for all equations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their transformations and the definitions of the variables involved, particularly regarding the function u and its relationship to x. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the transformations suggested.

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How do I reduce an equation to Bessel's equation and find a general solution to it:

For example how do I solve this:

x^2y" + xy' + (4x^4 - 1/4)y = 0 (set x^2 = z)
 
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Okay, apparently you have been told to "set z= x2". Have you tried that at all? Do you know how to use the chain rule to convert d2y/dx2 to d2y/dz2?

To start you off, dy/dx= (dy/dz)(dz/dx)= (2x)(dy/dz).

Then d^2y/dx^2= d(2x dy/dz)/dx= 2 dy/dz+ d(dy/dx)/dx= 2 dy/dz +(d^2y/dz^2)(2x).
 
Hi all,

How do i reduce the eqn. below to Bessel's eqn. (how can i use the transformation when i have y, x, and u)

4x^2y'' - 20xy' + (4x^2 + 35)y = 0 (y = (x^3).u)
 
Do you mean to set y= x3u(x) where u is some unknown function? Then just DO it!

If y= x3u, then y'= 3x2u+ x3u' and y"= 6xu+ 6x2u'+ x3u". Replace y, y' and y" in the equation with those and you get another differential equation for u rather than y.
 
I was not sure about u is a function of x, should that be so? I am asking this is because i do not understand (unless u is a func. of x) why we use a third variable for reducing.

I will try what you suggested, and thank you for your help.
 
If u is NOT a function of x, what is it? A constant? If that were so, you would be asking how to write an equation in x and y, a function of x, in terms of x only, and that cannot be done.
 
Yes, you are right. I just could not think simple, (may be it can be written as u(x) instead of u, for being more clear, but u is commonly used as a function of x, i should have remembered that),anyway, i reduced the ode to Bessel's eqn. Thanks for your help again.
 
hey pips can you help me solve this one:

xy'' - y' + y = 0...in terms of bessel functions
 
Try this substitution:

[tex]X=2\sqrt{x}[/tex]

[tex]Y=\frac{y}{x}[/tex]
 
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Hey could you help me solve
x^2*y''+2x*y'+x^2*y=0
 

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