Differential equation with eigenvector

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of linear differential equations involving three functions, \(f\), \(g\), and \(h\), with specified boundary conditions. Participants explore the eigenvalues and eigenvectors associated with the system, as well as the implications of these for finding solutions to the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the system of equations and boundary conditions, questioning the correctness of their approach to finding eigenvectors.
  • Another participant asserts that the eigenvector associated with \(\lambda=0\) must be a multiple of \(\begin{pmatrix}1\\1\\0\end{pmatrix}\), but this is met with confusion from the original poster.
  • A later reply clarifies the eigenspace associated with \(\lambda=0\) and provides a basis for it, suggesting that the solutions can be expressed in terms of two parameters.
  • There is a correction regarding the expression for \(c_1\) involving \(e^{0t}\), with the original poster attempting to clarify their earlier statements about the functions \(f(t)\), \(g(t)\), and \(h(t)\).
  • Another participant points out that the general solution should include a third eigenvalue, \(\lambda=2\), and suggests a form for the solution that incorporates this eigenvalue.
  • The original poster acknowledges the oversight of the third eigenvalue and proposes values for the constants \(c_1\), \(c_2\), and \(c_3\), questioning their correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the eigenvectors and the implications of the boundary conditions. There is no consensus on the final solution or the interpretation of the eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the completeness of the eigenvector solutions and the application of boundary conditions to determine the constants in the general solution.

Petrus
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Hello MHB,
solve this system of linear differential equation
$$f'=f-g-h$$
$$g'=-f+g-h$$
$$h'=-f+g+h$$
with boundary conditions $$f(0)=1$$, $$g(0)=2$$ and $$h(0)=0$$
we get that $$\lambda=1$$ and $$\lambda=0$$
now for eigenvector or we can call it basis for eigenvector $$\lambda=0$$ i get
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Is that correct?

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
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Your third equation should be $x_3=0$. The eigenvector must be a multiple of $$\begin{pmatrix}1\\1\\0\end{pmatrix}.$$
 
Opalg said:
Your third equation should be $x_3=0$. The eigenvector must be a multiple of $$\begin{pmatrix}1\\1\\0\end{pmatrix}.$$
I have hard to understand this

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Is this correct?

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Edit:Ops on the first one with $$c_1$$ it should be $$e^{0t}$$
So basically we got $$f(t)=c_1-c_2e^t$$, $$g(t)=c_1-c_2e^t$$ and $$h(t)=c_2e^t$$
Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
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Fernando Revilla said:
The eigenspace associated to $\lambda=0$ is:
$$\ker (A-0I)\equiv\left \{ \begin{matrix} x_1-x_2-x_3=0\\-x_1+x_2-x_3=0\\-x_1+x_2+x_3=0\end{matrix}\right.\sim \ldots \sim x_3=0$$
Then, all solutions of $\ker (A-0I)$ are
$$\begin{pmatrix}{x_1}\\{x_2}\\{x_3}\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}{\alpha}\\{\beta}\\{0}\end{pmatrix}=\alpha \begin{pmatrix}{1}\\{0}\\{0}\end{pmatrix}+\beta \begin{pmatrix}{0}\\{1}\\{0}\end{pmatrix}\;,\quad \alpha,\beta \in \mathbb{R}$$
so, a basis of this eigenspace is $\{(1,0,0)^T,(0,1,0)^T\}.$

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The eigenvector is correct.
Im pretty new with the differential equation with eigenvector. I Dont understand how it works with those boundary conditions. Notice that on the $$c_1$$ it should be $$e^{0t}$$
Thanks!
Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Petrus said:
Is this correct?

wikmfa.jpg

Edit:Ops on the first one with $$c_1$$ it should be $$e^{0t}$$
So basically we got $$f(t)=c_1-c_2e^t$$, $$g(t)=c_1-c_2e^t$$ and $$h(t)=c_2e^t$$
Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
That last formula is partially correct. You wrote $$\begin{pmatrix}f(t) \\g(t) \\h(t)\end{pmatrix} = c_1\begin{pmatrix}1 \\1 \\0\end{pmatrix} + c_2\begin{pmatrix}-1 \\-1 \\1\end{pmatrix}e^t$$. That is right in principle. The only thing missing is that a $3\times3$ matrix has three eigenvalues. Your matrix $A$ has a third eigenvalue $\lambda=2$. So your general solution to the system of equations should look like $$\begin{pmatrix}f(t) \\g(t) \\h(t)\end{pmatrix} = c_1\begin{pmatrix}1 \\1 \\0\end{pmatrix} + c_2\begin{pmatrix}-1 \\-1 \\1\end{pmatrix}e^t + c_3\begin{pmatrix}* \\* \\*\end{pmatrix}e^{2t}$$, where you have to fill in the stars with the third eigenvector.

When you have done that, you can put $t=0$ in that equation. That will give you a set of three linear equations for the constants $c_1,c_2,c_3$ so that the initial conditions are satisfied.
 
Hi,
I forgot that $$\lambda=2$$!
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So we get that $$c_1=\frac{3}{2}$$, $$c_2=0$$ and $$c_3=\frac{1}{2}$$ and that should be correct right?

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 

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