Differential equation: y'-y=(1/2)x-1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y' - y = (1/2)x - 1. Participants explore various methods for solving this linear equation, sharing their approaches and challenges encountered during the process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in solving the equation, indicating that it appears simple but is challenging to work through.
  • One participant mentions using the basic linear form and integrating factor, suggesting that they took the antiderivative of the resulting expression.
  • Another participant elaborates on the steps involving the product rule and the integration process, noting potential confusion during simplification.
  • A later reply claims to have found a solution but acknowledges an initial error that complicated their earlier attempts.
  • Some participants point out that the solution is not unique and that adding a constant multiplied by e^x would still yield a valid solution.
  • Another participant reinforces that uniqueness of the solution depends on specifying an initial condition, which would determine the constant in the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the solution is not unique without initial conditions, but there are multiple approaches discussed for solving the differential equation, and no consensus on a single method is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention challenges with integration and simplification steps, indicating that there may be unresolved mathematical intricacies in their approaches.

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I know this looks really easy, but trying to solve this is amazingly difficult. I couldn't do it, i kept getting wrong answers. Any body got any idea how to solve this?
 
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false_alarm said:
I know this looks really easy, but trying to solve this is amazingly difficult. I couldn't do it, i kept getting wrong answers. Any body got any idea how to solve this?

When methods have you leart because there is more then one way to solve the above equation.
 
I just used the basic linear form, got an integrating factor, and then just took the antiderivative of what was left
 
false_alarm said:
I just used the basic linear form, got an integrating factor, and then just took the antiderivative of what was left

If no one else helps you out I'll try to solve it with that method tomorrow. First though you have to show me the steps you tried.
 
y'-y=(1/2)x-1
(1/2)x-1=g(x)
y'-y=g(x)...linear form
d(x)y'-s(x)y=(d(x)y)'...product rule
only works if d(x)'=s(x)
the only function that is its own integral, that i could think of, is e^{x}
but since the y is negative, it would have to be e^{-x}

so then u could say,

e^{-x}y'-e^{-x}y=e^{-x}g(x)

(e^{-x}y)'=e^{-x}g(x)...use the product rule
e^{-x}y=antiderivative(e^{-x}g(x))...took antiderivative
y=antiderivative(e^{-x}((1/2)x-1))/e^{-x}...divide both sides by e^{-x}

I think I am screwing up in the simplifying part. But, the integration becomes tricky
 
Hey I just figured it out. The first time i did it i made a really small error in the beginning that made it unsolvable. Thanks anyways. In case your wondering though,

y=(-1/2)x+(1/2)
 
You know that the solution isn't unique, right? You can add e^x times any constant to your answer and still have a valid solution.
 
Yeah, the solution will only be unique if you specify an initial condition such as y(0). Otherwise your integrating factor method should still leave you with a term Ce^x for some undetermined constant C.
 

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