Differential Equations - Linear Factor Proof

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the method of Linear Factors in solving differential equations, specifically addressing the integration process involved in the method. Participants express confusion regarding the notation and the necessity of differentials in integration.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a proof for why the method of Linear Factors works, noting a lack of clarity in their textbook regarding the integration process.
  • Another participant corrects the integration approach, suggesting that the expression provided is incorrect and clarifying the use of differentials in integration.
  • A participant introduces the concept of an integrating factor and explains its role in solving linear differential equations, while questioning the accuracy of the original textbook statement.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the notation used, particularly regarding the treatment of differentials and the necessity of including 'dy' in the integration process.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of 'dx' and 'dy', with some participants asserting that 'dx' is not a true differential in this context, while others argue that it represents a genuine differential that can be integrated.
  • One participant reflects on the fundamental theorem of calculus and its relevance to the integration process being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the necessity of 'dy' in the integration of the left-hand side and the interpretation of differentials in the context of the method. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the notation and the implications of integrating differentials, highlighting potential limitations in their understanding of the method and its application.

DoubleMike
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My class has recently done an intro to differential equations, and although I understand the method of solving simple equations, I want to know why the method of Linear Factors works. Unfortunately my book hasn't provided a proof for it.

Also in the final step where you integrate both sides of the equation:

\frac{d}{dx}[uy]=uq(x)
the book says to integrate each side in respect to the variable in them

So I would have \int\frac{d}{dx}[uy] dy= \int uq(x)dx
This doesn't make sense, considering each side has been multiplied by different differentials.
 
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No,you've missed something and the final expression is totally wrong.
\frac{d}{dx}(uy)=uq(x) \Rightarrow d(uy)=uq(x) dx

And now integrate.

Daniel.
 
That is what I would call using an "integrating factor" to solve a linear equation.

You have a differential equation of the form
\frac{dy}{dx}+ p(x) y= q(x)
and multiply by some function u(x) such that
u(x)\frac{dy}{dx}+ u(x)p(x) y= \frac{d(u(x)y)}{dx}

It's easy to show that u(x) must satisfy u'= u(x)p(x), a separable equation.

I doubt that what you gave is, in fact, exactly what is in your book. (If it is it's a typo!)
What is correct is that
\int d[uy]= \int u(x)q(x)dx

Of course, the integral on the left is just u(x)y.
 
But the left side is missing the dy...

It seems suspect that you can multiply the dx as a fraction like that, then d[uy] really doesn't mean anything.

It's like performing math on notation... I'm sure it's just shorthand =/
 
DoubleMike said:
But the left side is missing the dy...

Yes.

DoubleMike said:
It seems suspect that you can multiply the dx as a fraction like that,

Only to the ones which are unfamilar to methods involving differentials.

DoubleMike said:
then d[uy] really doesn't mean anything.


Of course ot does.It's the differential of the product u(x)y.

Daniel.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but \frac{d}{dx}[uy] is just notation for the derivative of uy, the dx isn't really a differential at all.

If it was, then in reality you would be dividing by dx... Are you telling me that d[uy] = dy?
 
That "dx" BEARS the name "differential of the independent variable".It's not a differential "stricto sensu".

As for the last,i'm not that naive to claim such thing...They obviously represent different objects.

Daniel.
 
So where does that leave us? Also, don't you need a dy to integrate the left side?
 
You have a "genuine" differential in the LHS which u can integrate without any problem...,ain't it so...?

Daniel.
 
  • #10
I thought that you needed to know in respect to which variable. I've just been mechanically integrating both sides, but I don't know why the left side doesn't need a dy.

As far as I'm concerned, the LHS is just an equation which happens to be the differential. It would still need a dy (it reminds me of the fundamental theorem of calculus for some reason...?)
 
  • #11
Well,what does the FTC say and why do you think it would apply here directly...?

Daniel.
 
  • #12
dexter, where did you learn all of your math from?
 
  • #13
About 99% from school,the rest individual study.Why?

Daniel.
 
  • #14
The left side: d[uy] doesn't need a left side because it is a differential all by itself:

\int dx= x, \int dy= y, \int d(uy)= uy, etc.

You could, if you like, say \int\frac{d(uy)}{dx}dx= uy but most people prefer not to have that 'double' dx.
 

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