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The discussion centers on the differentiation of functions, specifically questioning the validity of the equation $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) $$ and its implications. It is established that $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ}) \neq \frac{d∅}{dξ} $$, as the derivative symbol without a function to its right does not yield meaningful quantities. The conversation also touches on the product rule and the correct notation for derivatives, emphasizing that the function should be positioned appropriately in expressions involving differentiation.

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Does $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) $$?

If is true,
Does multiplying a function and a derivative equals to the derivative of that function? For e.g. $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=\frac{d∅}{dξ} $$ where ∅ is a function of ξ

But isn't it supposed to be like this(based on the product rule), $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ}) = ∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) = \frac{d}{dξ}*∅-1*\frac{d∅}{dξ} $$ ?

What if ∅ is a constant or is not a function of ξ?
 
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TimeRip496 said:
Does $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) $$?
Obviously no. Derivative symbol with nothing next to the right of it constitutes no meaningful quantities, no numerical value can be associated with it (if the variable is given a number), it's just an instruction to differentiate whatever stands on the right. If you put something to the right of a derivative (like you did in the RHS of that equation), you have given a numerical value to the entire expression.
Therefore
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})\neq \frac{d∅}{dξ}
$$
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Obviously no. Derivative symbol with nothing next to the right of it constitutes no meaningful quantities, no numerical value can be associated with it (if the variable is given a number), it's just an instruction to differentiate whatever stands on the right. If you put something to the right of a derivative (like you did in the RHS of that equation), you have given a numerical value to the entire expression.
Therefore
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})\neq \frac{d∅}{dξ}
$$
Thanks!
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But then how do I get from equation (12) to equation (13)? The only way I can do it is when
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ}) = \frac{d∅}{dξ}.
$$
 
Where did you get source from? Is it the same source as the one with harmonic oscillator in another thread of yours?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Where did you get source from? Is it the same source as the one with harmonic oscillator in another thread of yours?
Yes.
Source: http://vixra.org/pdf/1307.0007v1.pdf
 
I believe that's not the common and standard way to write the derivative of a function; in equation (12), ##\phi_0## should be on the right of the bracketed terms.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
I believe that's not the common and standard way to write the derivative of a function; in equation (12), ##\phi_0## should be on the right of the bracketed terms.
Ok thanks again for your help!
 

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