Differentiating with respect to time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of differentiating the expression rcos(θ) with respect to time. It explores the application of the chain rule in this context, considering the dependencies of the variables involved.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the differentiation process for rcos(θ) with respect to time, seeking clarification on the notation used in their textbook.
  • Another participant introduces the chain rule, stating that it can be applied to differentiate the function with respect to time, leading to the expression d/dt(rcos(θ)) = d/dθ(rcos(θ)) * dθ/dt.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the application of the chain rule and provides a link to additional resources on the topic, while also noting a typographical issue with the use of the '$' symbol in LaTeX.
  • Another participant elaborates that if θ is a function of time and r is constant, the differentiation follows the chain rule. They also present a more complex scenario where both r and θ depend on time, leading to a different differentiation expression involving partial derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the chain rule for differentiation, but there are varying perspectives on the conditions under which r and θ depend on time, leading to different expressions for the derivative.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the dependencies of r and θ on time that are not fully resolved, particularly in the context of the differentiation expressions provided.

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How do you go about differentiating rcos$ with respect to time...?

In the book I am studying from it says d$/dt d/d$ (rcos$) is the process to find the answer... but what does this mean...?
 
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HAve you come across the chain rule? This states that \frac{df}{dt}=\frac{df}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}. Thus, applying this to the case you mention, we obtain \frac{d}{dt}(rcos\theta)=\frac{d}{d\theta}(rcos\theta)\frac{d\theta}{dt}
 
The chain rule has been applied in arriving at the result.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ChainRule.html

\frac{df}{dt} = \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}, where f denotes the given function.

Edit: Since Cristo posted while I was playing with the typeset, I'm using theta instead of the more obvious x. :biggrin: Apparently, the '$' symbol messes up Latex.
 
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If \theta is a function of time but r does not, then it is true that frac{df}{dt}= \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}.

If both f depends on both r and \theta and both r and \theta depend upon time,
\frac{df}{dt}= \frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\frac{dr}{dt}+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\frac{d\theta}{dt}
 

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