Differentiation of Unit Tangent

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the unit tangent vector T(t) defined as T(t) = c'(t)/||c'(t)||, where ||T|| = 1. Participants are exploring the implications of differentiating this expression and the conditions under which T(t) equals c'(t).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of T(t) using various calculus rules and express uncertainty about the relationship between T(t) and c'(t). There are attempts to derive T'(t) and verify results through dot product checks.

Discussion Status

Multiple expressions for T'(t) have been proposed, with participants verifying their results against each other. There is acknowledgment of the need for T(t) to be parametrized by arc length for certain assertions to hold. The discussion remains open as participants continue to check their findings.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of parametrization by arc length in their reasoning, indicating a potential constraint in the problem setup. There is also mention of specific terms arising during differentiation that may complicate the analysis.

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So we are given T(t) = c'(t)/||c'(t)|| as well as ||T|| = 1

We also know T(t)dotT(t) = 1 and T'(t)dotT(t) = 0

The problem asks us to find T'(t)


I tried differentiating c'(t)/||c'(t)|| treating ||c'(t)|| as the square root of the dot product of c'(t) with itself. I used the product rule, chain rule, quotient rule, and ended up with some nasty terms, namely c'(t) dot c"(t).

I am pretty sure the answer we are looking for is T'(t) = c"(t). Therefore, if we can prove that T(t) = c'(t), then the answer T'(t) = c"(t) follows.

Please help! LOL Not being able to solve this has been bothering me big time!
 
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Oh wait, I was wrong about something. T(t) will only equal c'(t) if it is parametrized by the arc length.

This is what I got, if anyone cares to check (please do!)

T'(t) = [||c'(t)||(c"(t)) - c'(t)(c'(t) dot c"(t))]/||c'(t)||3
 
I got c''(t)/|c'(t)|-c'(t)(c'(t).c''(t))/|c'(t)|^3. That's like yours but with some factors and parentheses moved around. You can do a quick check by testing whether T(t).T'(t)=0. Is it?
 
That is most definitely what I got when I just re-did the problem!

Yay! Thank you very much, I will go and check it now

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