Differentiation With L'Hopital's Rule

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of L'Hopital's Rule to solve two specific problems involving indeterminate forms in calculus. Participants are focused on the evaluation of limits, particularly those resulting in forms like 0/0 and 0^0.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have correctly applied L'Hopital's Rule to problem 2a, resulting in ln6 - ln3, while another suggests it can be simplified further using logarithmic rules.
  • For problem 2b, a participant initially arrives at an incorrect conclusion of infinity after applying L'Hopital's Rule, expressing uncertainty about whether the form was indeed 0/0.
  • Another participant suggests reapplying L'Hopital's Rule to the expression derived from problem 2b, questioning its indeterminate form.
  • A later reply confirms that the limit for problem 2b is indeed of the form 0/0 and provides a new calculation leading to the conclusion that the limit evaluates to 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the answer for problem 2a, while there is disagreement regarding the approach and correctness of the solution for problem 2b. The discussion reflects multiple competing views and remains unresolved in terms of the initial steps taken for problem 2b.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the forms of the limits being evaluated, particularly in problem 2b, where participants express uncertainty about whether the expression leads to an indeterminate form.

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Hey guys,

Need some more help again. I'll keep it brief.

This thread is only for question 2ab. Please ignore question 1:
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For 2a, I simply employed L'Hopital's Rule since 0/0 is indeterminate form. Thus, my final answer came out to be: ln6-ln3.

As for 2b, I computed an indeterminate form in the form of 0^0, which requires L'Hopital's Rule.

After taking the derivative of both the numerator and denominator respectively, I ultimately obtained 0.
Thanks in advance.
 
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ardentmed said:
Hey guys,

Need some more help again. I'll keep it brief.

This thread is only for question 2ab. Please ignore question 1:For 2a, I simply employed L'Hopital's Rule since 0/0 is indeterminate form. Thus, my final answer came out to be: ln6-ln3.

As for 2b, I computed an indeterminate form in the form of 0^0, which requires L'Hopital's Rule.

After taking the derivative of both the numerator and denominator respectively, I ultimately obtained 0.
Thanks in advance.

Hi ardentmed, :)

The answer for 2a is correct. However you can simplify it a little bit using the rules of logarithms. Could you see how?

The answer for 2b is incorrect. Could you write down your attempt at solving it so that I can tell where you made the mistake. :)
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi ardentmed, :)

The answer for 2a is correct. However you can simplify it a little bit using the rules of logarithms. Could you see how?

The answer for 2b is incorrect. Could you write down your attempt at solving it so that I can tell where you made the mistake. :)

Sure, I carried down the x as I converted the function to its logarithmic form, giving me xlntan(2x), I then proceeded to move the x down into the denominator (so it becomes 1/x in the denominator).

Moreover, I applied L'Hopital's Rule and took the derivative (albeit I'm not too sure if the function actually gives 0/0, but it looks like it).

This gave me:

2sec^2(2x) / tan(2x) * (-x^2 / 1) = infinity.

So the answer would be e^infinity = +infinity.

I'm at a loss as to how I arrived at this answer, as I'm almost definite that it is incorrect. I'd appreciate some help.

Thanks in advance.
 
Have you tried to apply L'hopital's rule again? 2sec^2(2x) / tan(2x) * (-x^2 / 1) seems to be in that form.
 
Rido12 said:
Have you tried to apply L'hopital's rule again? 2sec^2(2x) / tan(2x) * (-x^2 / 1) seems to be in that form.

Oh, is it in indeterminate form? I computed it to be infinity, but it could potentially be 0/0, but I'm not too sure.
 
$$\ln\left({y}\right)= \lim_{{x}\to{0^+}} \frac{2(sec2x)^2(-x^2)}{tan2x} $$ is of the form 0/0.
 
Rido12 said:
$$\ln\left({y}\right)= \lim_{{x}\to{0^+}} \frac{2(sec2x)^2(-x^2)}{tan2x} $$ is of the form 0/0.

Alright, so I performed another round of L'Hopital's rule and computed lny=0 because:

lny= $\lim_{{x}\to{0+}} (-4x^2 * tan2x-x)/1 $

Ergo,

y= e^0

Thus, the limit is 1.

Am I on the right track? Thanks.
 
That is correct, the limit evaluates to 1.
 

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