Difficult circular motion problem

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The discussion revolves around a circular motion problem involving tension, gravitational forces, and trigonometric relationships. The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on an object in circular motion and is working through the equations of motion related to tension and angle.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to eliminate tension from the equations and explore relationships between sine and cosine. There are attempts to derive a quadratic equation from the established relationships, with some questioning the steps taken to manipulate the equations.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting different ways to relate the trigonometric functions and tension. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations and methods being explored without a clear consensus on the next steps.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of trigonometric identities and the setup of the equations, as well as the need for clarity on the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



F=mv^2/c

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew the free body diagram and found

TSin(theta) = mv^2/r

r = LSin(theta)

TSin(theta) = mv^2/LSin(theta)

In the y direction Fy = mg - TCos(theta) = 0
So mg = TCos(theta)

I tried to turn T = mg/cos(theta) into T=mg/(1-Sin(theta)) and sub it in but it doesn't seem to work.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Eliminate T, then you can get the trig functions on one side as a function of all the given information.
 
Hello. You're on the right track. Rather than trying to get cosine in terms of sine, go the other way around. For example, you have:
[tex]T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}[/tex]
and
[tex]T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}[/tex]
Put sin^2 in terms of cosine, and equate both the formulas that you have for tension. You should be able to come up with a quadratic equation in terms of cosine.
 
sandy.bridge said:
Hello. You're on the right track. Rather than trying to get cosine in terms of sine, go the other way around. For example, you have:
[tex]T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}[/tex]
and
[tex]T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}[/tex]
Put sin^2 in terms of cosine, and equate both the formulas that you have for tension. You should be able to come up with a quadratic equation in terms of cosine.

How did you get [tex]T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}[/tex]

I solved for T in the y direction and got

[tex]T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{mg}{cos\theta}*{sin\theta}[/tex]=[tex]=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin\theta}[/tex]

I'm stuck after this I can't seem to get the sin into a quadratic equation
 
So you have,

mv^2/Ls^2 = mg/c (where s = sin and c = cosine)

so,

cv^2 = Lgs^2 = Lg(1 - c^2)

now you can use the quadratic equation
 
Spinnor said:
So you have,

mv^2/Ls^2 = mg/c (where s = sin and c = cosine)

so,

cv^2 = Lgs^2 = Lg(1 - c^2)

now you can use the quadratic equation
oh ok! Thank you guys!
 

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