A ball is swung in a circular path

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The problem involves a ball being swung in a circular path from a rope, with specific questions regarding its speed, kinetic energy, and angle at different points in motion. The subject area includes concepts from dynamics and circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of forces and energy equations to determine speed and kinetic energy. There are questions about the correctness of approaches and the use of trigonometric identities to find the angle.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches, while others provide remarks on the calculations and suggest methods for solving the angle using trigonometric equations. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note challenges with trigonometry and the potential need for trial and error in finding the angle, although some express that this should not be necessary. There is mention of constraints related to the precision of calculations and the handling of trigonometric identities.

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Homework Statement


A 0.5 kg ball is swung in a circular path from a 80 cm long rope, attached to a vertical pole.
A. What is the speed of the ball theta (between the pole and rope) is 40 deg?
B. What is the KE of the ball at theta = 40 deg?
C. The ball slows down and the KE drops to 50% of the value in (B). What is the new value of theta?

Homework Equations


F = ma
centripetal acceleration = V^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



A.
Fy = 0
Tcos(theta) = mg
Fx = mv^2/r
Tsin(theta) = mv^2/r - > V = sqrt(g*r*tan(theta)) = 2.056 m/s
B. KE = 0.5 *m*v^2 = 1.057151179
C. I get all the have to new velocity but i don't know how to get the angle... I need some pointers.

Also, i am not sure if this is the right approach.

Thanks
 
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Hello jazzy, :welcome:

Looks like the right approach. A few remarks: KE = 1.06 J (don't forget the units and don't give many more digits than the given variables have -- but if the first digit is a one, then give one more).

For C, you have the same equilibrium equation (##\ v^2 = g\, r \tan\theta\ ##), only now v is given and ##\theta## has to be determined. Your problem is then the goniometric equation when you put in ##r = L \sin\theta## (L is the length of the rope).

If you have no way to solve this, perhaps you are supposed to find the answer with trial and error ?
 
Yea, i get suck at the trig. And, it's definitely not trial and error. Trying different reference frame to see if I can get rid of a trig.
 
234jazzy2 said:
Yea, i get suck at the trig. And, it's definitely not trial and error. Trying different reference frame to see if I can get rid of a trig.
What trig equation do you get? Something like sin(θ)tan(θ)=value? There is an analytic way to solve that.
 
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(Sin^2(theta))/( cos(theta)) = some number. I tried using some trig identities but nothing seemed to work. As I write this, I think I could've solved it, because that also equals (1 - cos^ 2(theta))/ cos(theta) = something and set x = cos(theta) and sove the quadratic. But that will give two answers... I'll solve it later. But if you have any othersuggestions, please let me know.
 
234jazzy2 said:
set x = cos(theta) and solve the quadratic.
That is the method I had in mind.
 

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