Difficulty in learning tensors

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of learning and applying tensor mathematics, specifically focusing on the manipulation of tensor equations and the use of the chain rule in the context of coordinate transformations.

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  • One participant questions the validity of dividing both sides of the equation by a partial derivative when it is summed with another tensor component.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving multiplication by the inverse of the partial derivative, leading to a conclusion that the tensor must equal zero.
  • A third participant references a theorem from linear algebra regarding non-singular matrices and implications for singular cases.
  • Subsequent replies confirm the validity of the proposed methods and clarify the use of the chain rule in the process.
  • Participants discuss whether the methods used are considered lengthy or concise, with varying opinions on the efficiency of the approaches presented.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the methods discussed, but there is some debate regarding the perceived length and complexity of the approaches used.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of the matrices involved and the implications of singular versus non-singular cases, which are not fully resolved.

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Students and practitioners in mathematics and physics who are grappling with tensor calculus and coordinate transformations may find this discussion beneficial.

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Let r[itex]_{\mu}[/itex] be a tensor in coordinates x[itex]^{c}[/itex] and R[itex]_{b}[/itex] be a tensor in coordinates X[itex]^{c}[/itex].
Then let r[itex]_{\mu}[/itex] = 0.

Then {[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\nu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]x[itex]^{\mu}[/itex]}R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0.
I read in a book that one can divide both sides of the last equation by the partial derivative to get R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0.
I do not understand how this can be done since the partial derivative is summed over together with the R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex].
Can somebody help me!
 
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The way I understand to do it is the following:

{[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\nu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]x[itex]^{\mu}[/itex]}R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0

Multiplying both sides by {[itex]\partial[/itex]x[itex]^{\mu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\lambda}[/itex]} we get

{[itex]\partial[/itex]x[itex]^{\mu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\lambda}[/itex]} {[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\nu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]x[itex]^{\mu}[/itex]}R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0

i.e. {[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\nu}[/itex]/[itex]\partial[/itex]X[itex]^{\lambda}[/itex]}R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0

[itex]\delta[/itex][itex]^{\nu}_{\lambda}[/itex]R[itex]_{\nu}[/itex] = 0

R[itex]_{\lambda}[/itex] = 0.

Is the above method too long?

Thanks for any help.
 
It's a theorem in linear algebra. If A is non-singular, and Ab=0, then b=0. If dX/dx is singular, you have other problems.
 
Thanks K^2.

Is the method I used ok?
 
grzz said:
Is the method I used ok?
Yes it is. Note that what you're doing on the line that starts with "i.e." is to use the chain rule.
 
Is the method above, using Kronecker's delta, considered a long method?
 
Nothing that only covers a few short lines is ever considered a long method. :smile:

The only way to do it shorter is to note that you started with a matrix equation in component form, and if you multiply it with the inverse...but that might require some explanation, and it would look a lot like what you just said.
 
Thanks a lot, Fredrik
 

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