Dimension of subset containing two circles

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The discussion revolves around the dimensionality of a subset in R² defined by two concentric circles with different nonzero radii. Participants explore the definitions and implications of dimensionality in relation to curves and spaces surrounding them.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the circles themselves are one-dimensional, while their interior, exterior, or the space between them is two-dimensional.
  • It is noted that the definition of dimension can influence the answer, particularly through the concept of tangent spaces, where the tangent to a circle is a line, indicating one-dimensionality.
  • One participant clarifies that they are referring only to the two curves of the circles, confirming their understanding that they are one-dimensional.
  • Another viewpoint introduces a generalization of dimensions used for fractals, suggesting that the dimension for any non-empty finite set of circles is 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the circles are one-dimensional, but there is some ambiguity regarding the dimensionality of the space surrounding them and the definitions used to arrive at these conclusions. Multiple competing views on dimensionality remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions of dimensionality and the implications of different mathematical approaches, such as tangent spaces and fractal dimensions, which may not be universally accepted.

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So I am reading a calculus book, and went online to find explanations for why a circle is 1D.
there's the explanations that say something about zooming in very close and seeing that it's indistinguishable from a Real line.
Or you can specify any point on it with only one variable
Or if there was a train on the circle you can only go in two directions, forwards or back (this is a loose definition ofc)

My question: you have two concentric circles centered at the origin with different nonzero radii, is the subset of R2 as defined by these circles one dimensional or two dimensional?

Feel free to ask me for clarifications if something is wrong
 
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The circles themselves are one dimensional, their interior, exterior or the space between them is two dimensional.
The answers you found are all more or less correct. The essential part here is, how do you define the dimension? This will influence the kind of answer you will get. As a thumb rule, you define the dimension of something curved by the dimension of its tangent space at a certain point. Since the tangent of a circle is a line and not, e.g. a plane, it is one dimensional. The space between your two circles is two dimensional, because a tangent there would be a two dimensional plane.
 
fresh_42 said:
The circles themselves are one dimensional, their interior, exterior or the space between them is two dimensional.
The answers you found are all more or less correct. The essential part here is, how do you define the dimension? This will influence the kind of answer you will get. As a thumb rule, you define the dimension of something curved by the dimension of its tangent space at a certain point. Since the tangent of a circle is a line and not, e.g. a plane, it is one dimensional. The space between your two circles is two dimensional, because a tangent there would be a two dimensional plane.
Clarification: I meant just the two curves. Not the space in between, but I see from your explanation that it is one dimensional. Thanks.
 
For the set of two circles, you can use a generalization of the concept of dimensions, typically used for fractals. The result is 1 for every non-empty finite set of circles.
 
mfb said:
For the set of two circles, you can use a generalization of the concept of dimensions, typically used for fractals. The result is 1 for every non-empty finite set of circles.
Ah I remember watching a beautiful video by 3blue1brown on YouTube about this
 

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