Dimensional Analysis: Matrix Setup for M/(L^2T^2)

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The discussion revolves around setting up a matrix to find a combination of units involving mass (M), length (L), and time (T) that results in specific dimensional analysis. The original poster is attempting to relate the units of M(L^2)/T and L^4 to achieve units of M/(L^2T^2).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the setup of a matrix equation and questioning the clarity of the problem statement. There are attempts to express the relationship between the units using matrix notation, with some participants suggesting the use of LaTeX for clarity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are questioning the validity of the matrix setup and whether additional parameters are needed for a solution. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the matrix or the problem's formulation.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the dimensions and the meaning of "a combination" in the context of the problem. Participants are also noting potential issues with the matrix elements and the need for clearer definitions.

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Homework Statement


How do I set up a matrix to find the combination of ( M(L^2)/T ) and I ( L^4)
that results in units of M/ ( L^2 T^2 ) ?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it looks something like
[ 1 0
2 4
-2 0 ]
*
[ a1, a2, a3]
=
[1 -2 -2]

but the dimensions of those matrices aren't right
 
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Given:

Y = M * X

Are you trying to get a vector Y with units of measure of M / ( L^2 T^2 ) from a vector X with units of measure M(L^2)/T multiplied with matrix M? or is this a dot product?
 
princejan7 said:

Homework Statement


How do I set up a matrix to find the combination of ( M(L^2)/T ) and I ( L^4)
that results in units of M/ ( L^2 T^2 ) ?

That statement of the problem isn't clear. (What would "a combination" mean in this context? ) Try stating the problem as it is actually worded.

I think it looks something like

Matrices can't be reliably displayed using ordinary typing. You can resort to LaTex https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/ In the meantime, it might be better to use notation like [1,2,-2]^T to denote a column vector.

To have valid multiplication In your work you'd have to multiply on the left by the row vector:

[itex]\begin{bmatrix}a_1&a_2&a_3 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\2&4\\-2&0 \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 1\\-2\\-2 \end{bmatrix}[/itex]

but I don't know if that equation is appropriate, because I don't know what problem you are solving.

Are you trying work a problem similar to the examples shown in the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckingham_π_theorem ?
 
jedishfru, Steven,

princejan7 is trying to solve ##\left(\frac {ML^2}T \right)^{a_1}\left(L^4\right)^{a_2} = \frac M{L^2T^2}##. This leads to the matrix equation shown...
except there is no a3, the a1, a2 should be a column vector, and either the problem has been stated incorrectly or the -2 at lower left of the matrix should be -1.
## \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\2&4\\-1&0 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}a_1&a_2 \end{bmatrix}^T= \begin{bmatrix} 1\\-2\\-2 \end{bmatrix}##
Note: there is no solution. princejan7 , is there perhaps some third input parameter? Or is the -2 right in the matrix (which would permit a solution)?
 

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