Dimensional Analysis problem - choosing variables

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a dimensional analysis problem related to water draining from an open-topped tank. Participants explore which variables are relevant to the problem, including time, dimensions of the tank and hole, and properties of the water.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Exploratory, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster identifies several variables: time for water to drop, diameter of the tank, diameter of the hole, density of water, gravity, and air pressure, but is uncertain about the last two.
  • Some participants suggest that gravity might affect flow and question the relevance of air pressure versus exit velocity of the water.
  • One participant recommends using Bernoulli's equation to identify all parameters involved and derive dimensionless groups from that solution.
  • The original poster expresses unfamiliarity with Bernoulli's equation but acknowledges its potential usefulness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the choice of variables, and there is uncertainty regarding the application of Bernoulli's equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the assumptions made about the fluid properties, particularly the neglect of viscosity, and how that impacts the choice of variables.

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Homework Statement


Hello guys!

I have a dimensional analysis problem where water is draining from a open topped tank and in a certain amount of time,t it drops from h1 to h2. and I need to find a bunch (6) of variables which apply to this problem. I have some but I am not sure about the other ones.

Homework Equations


I have to present my answer as deltaH (the change in height from h1 to h2) / d (the size of the hole from which water is flowing) = f(?,?,?)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have chosen, the time it takes for the water to drop from a level, h1 to a level h2.

the diameter of the tank

the diameter of the hole which the water is draining from, which is on the floor of the tank in the middle.

the density of the water

and then the last two I'm not sure about. (It says its not viscous so I don think I can use that)

I chose g, gravity as I think that might effect flow
and P the pressure, which I am taking is the air pressure. [I think its possible exit velocity of the water should replace this but I'm really not sure.

this gives me:

delta H (the change in height from H1 to H2) = f(t,D,d,P,g, rho)

Could you guys give some advice about which equations I should use?

Thanks very much!
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
Why don't you just solve this problem using Bernoulli's equation first? This will give you all the parameters involved, and then you can back out the dimensionless groups from that solution.

Chet
 
Ive never heard of Bernoulli's equation, ill have to check it out!
 
Hi everyone, thanks for posting, I've managed to do it but thanks for posting. I've never been told about Bernoulli's equation so I'll have to check it out, it sounds very useful if it can give you the variables! Thanks! :)
 

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