Dimensions of Air Drag Constants and Terminal Speed Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing the dimensions of constants in the air drag equation FD = bv + cv², where v represents the speed of a falling object in a fluid. Participants are tasked with determining the dimensions of the constants b and c, as well as finding an expression for the terminal speed VT in terms of these constants, mass m, and gravitational acceleration g.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the dimensional analysis of the equation, questioning how to correctly account for the dimensions of b and c. There are attempts to clarify the dimensional rule for addition and subtraction of entities, and participants explore how to derive the dimensions from the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing corrections and engaging in dimensional analysis. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the dimensions of the terms in the equation, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the terminal speed expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of dimensional analysis and are questioning the assumptions related to the constants and their dimensions. There is a focus on ensuring that all terms in the equation are dimensionally consistent.

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Homework Statement


The object is falling vertically in a strange fluid, the magnitude of the air drag is best described by the following FD = bv+cv2 where v is the speed of the object and b and c are constants.
A. What are the dimensions of b and c
B. If the object has mass m find an algebraic expression for the terminal speed VT in terms of b,c,m, and g

Homework Equations


V = sqrt ( (2 * W) / (Cd * r * g)

The Attempt at a Solution


[FD] = [v]+[c][v2]
[ML/T2] = [L/T]+[c][L2/T2]
 
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mdavies23 said:

Homework Statement


The object is falling vertically in a strange fluid, the magnitude of the air drag is best described by the following FD = bv+cv2 where v is the speed of the object and b and c are constants.
A. What are the dimensions of b and c
B. If the object has mass m find an algebraic expression for the terminal speed VT in terms of b,c,m, and g

Homework Equations


V = sqrt ( (2 * W) / (Cd * r * g)

The Attempt at a Solution


[FD] = [v]+[c][v2]
[ML/T2] = [L/T]+[c][L/T2]
You left out b.
What dimensional rule applies to addition and subtraction of entities?
 
and additionally to leaving out b the dimension of ##v^2## is ##\frac{L^2}{T^2}##
 
haruspex said:
You left out b.
What dimensional rule applies to addition and subtraction of entities?
They are equal
 
mdavies23 said:
They are equal
The dimensionalities are equal, yes. So apply that to the last eqn in post #1, after making Marc's correction in post #3.
 
haruspex said:
The dimensionalities are equal, yes. So apply that to the last eqn in post #1, after making Marc's correction in post #3.
[ML/T2] =b[L/T]=[c][L2/T2]
 
mdavies23 said:
[ML/T2] =b[L/T]=[c][L2/T2]
so I would need an M/T for b and sqrt(L) on top for c
 
mdavies23 said:
M/T for b
Yes.
mdavies23 said:
sqrt(L) on top for c
How do you get that?
 
haruspex said:
Yes.

How do you get that?
i mean 1/L
 
  • #10
mdavies23 said:
i mean 1/L
Better, but not quite there.
How are you deducing your answers? The simplest is to just write it out as an algebraic equation and simplify: ML/T2=cL2/T2.
 
  • #11
haruspex said:
Better, but not quite there.
How are you deducing your answers? The simplest is to just write it out as an algebraic equation and simplify: ML/T2=cL2/T2.
Oh ok M/L
 
  • #12
mdavies23 said:
Oh ok M/L
Right
 
  • #13
haruspex said:
Right
so then i can just solve for v correct?
 
  • #14
mdavies23 said:
so then i can just solve for v correct?
Dimensional analysis only tells you how the result varies in proportion to the parameters. It does not tell you about any multiplicative constant.
 
  • #15
haruspex said:
Dimensional analysis only tells you how the result varies in proportion to the parameters. It does not tell you about any multiplicative constant.
How would i do part b then?
 
  • #16
mdavies23 said:
How would i do part b then?
By considering the balance of forces at terminal velocity.
 

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