Dirac Delta Function: Is delta(x-y) the Same as delta(y-x)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the Dirac delta function, specifically whether delta(x-y) is equivalent to delta(y-x) and the implications of this equivalence. The scope includes theoretical aspects of distribution theory and the mathematical properties of the Dirac delta function.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if delta(x-y) is the same as delta(y-x) and whether they differ in sign.
  • Another participant asserts that they are the same because the Dirac delta function is only nonzero when x = y.
  • A later reply challenges this reasoning, suggesting that the argument could be misleading and discusses the weak derivative of the Dirac delta function, noting that delta'(-x) = -delta'(x).
  • The same participant provides a detailed explanation involving the integral definition of the Dirac delta function, showing that both delta(x) and delta(-x) yield the same result when applied in the context of extracting function values.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the explanation while also indicating that the initial argument may not be sufficient for those unfamiliar with distribution theory.
  • There is a recognition of the potential for misunderstanding and the importance of providing multiple perspectives in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the initial explanation regarding the Dirac delta function's properties. While some agree with the assertion of equivalence, others caution against oversimplification and emphasize the need for a more nuanced understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion may be problematic if generalized without a proper understanding of distribution theory, highlighting the limitations of the initial explanations provided.

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Sorry if the question seems naive but if we have the Dirac delta function delta(x-y) is it the same as delta(y-x)?? Or there are opposite in sign? And why ?
Thank you for your time
 
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eahaidar said:
[...] the Dirac delta function delta(x-y) is it the same as delta(y-x)??
Yes.

And why ?
Because it is only nonzero when x = y.
 
Thank you very much just want to make sure
 
strangerep said:
Yes.
Because it is only nonzero when x = y.

Hm. I find this argument somewhat misleading. You can as well argue that its weak derivative [itex]\delta'(x)[/itex] is zero for [itex]x\neq y[/itex]. But there we have [itex]\delta'(-x)=-\delta'(x)[/itex].

I think if you want to see why the Dirac delta is an "even" distribution is to go back to the definition:

[itex]\int_{I(0)} \delta(x) f(x) dx = f(0)[/itex]

where [itex]I(0)[/itex] is a neighbourhood of 0. Now let's see what happens if we use [itex]\delta(-x)[/itex] instead:

[itex]\int_{I(0)} \delta(-x) f(x) dx = - \int_{I(0)} \delta(+x) f(-x) (-dx) = \int_{I(0)} \delta(x) f(-x) dx = f(-0) = f(0)[/itex]

The second step involves the substitution of [itex]x\to-x[/itex] and as we can see we do get the same result. That means according to the definition of the Dirac delta as the generator of the linear functional that extracts f(0) both [itex]\delta(x)[/itex] and [itex]\delta(-x)[/itex] are identical.

Cheers,

Jazz
 
Wooow Jazz amazing explanation I didn't know that it could be like that
Thank you
 
Jazzdude said:
Hm. I find this argument somewhat misleading.
(Sigh)

Well, I was trying to find a simple explanation since I wasn't sure whether the OP had studied distribution theory.

Silly me. I should have remembered: "simple explanations = trouble". :frown:
 
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strangerep said:
(Sigh)

Well, I was trying to find a simple explanation since I wasn't sure whether the OP had studied distribution theory.

Silly me. I should have remembered: "simple explanations = trouble". :frown:

I'm not really sure what this is about. It was obvious to me that you tried to give a simple answer, and I don't think anyone ever doubted that you know the exact answer. I wasn't sure either if the OP understands distribution theory. Nevertheless I felt that your answer should not be the only one, because it can be problematic if generalised.

So please don't take this personal, there's really no reason for it.

Cheers,

Jazz
 
Jazzdude said:
I felt that your answer should not be the only one, because it can be problematic if generalised.
Agreed. I would have deleted my answer, but the editing time window had expired.

So please don't take this personal, there's really no reason for it.
I didn't take it personally. I was just annoyed at myself for not realizing my answer could indeed be misleading in the way you pointed out.

Thanks for contributing.
 

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